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Flying Saucer Ohio governor John

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Gilligan says that on Monday night when

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he and his wife were driving near Ann

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Arbor Michigan they saw what might have

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been an unidentified flying object

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Gilligan described it as vertical shape

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and Amber colors before that the

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government was standing behind at least

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this unit of the of the Pentagon they

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have as we reported in the paper some

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material from these objects that is

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being studied so that scientists can try

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to figure out what accounts for their

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amazing property my personal belief is

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that there is very compelling evidence

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that we we may not be alone it's been a

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certain percentage of this volume of

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reports

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that have been made by credible

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Observers of relatively incredible

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things I have never seen anything in my

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life that had the performance

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acceleration there's footage and records

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of objects in the skies that we don't

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know exactly what they are we can't

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explain

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how they moved their trajectory we have

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lots of reports about what we call

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unidentified aerial phenomenon there are

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a lot more sightings than have been made

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public this is a technology that we

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don't completely understand they're back

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many of these phenomena have been cited

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in in training ranges in training

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environments I looked out the window and

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observed this light moving at a very

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excessive speed in excess of 600 knots

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coming at the helicopter it looked like

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a lockdown missile the thing that makes

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this particular evening a unique

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experience was that it was almost

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emitter collision with an object that we

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or you know as a us that there have been

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UAP observed and interacting with and

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flying over sensitive military

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facilities particularly not just ranges

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but some facilities housing are

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strategic nuclear forces one such

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incident allegedly occurred

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at Malmstrom Air Force Base of activity

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that some might say constitute say a

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different form he was a spook that's all

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I knew so I told him the whole story and

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he told me no uncertain turn don't tell

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anybody this has been declared top

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secret and if you open your mouth to

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anybody that includes your commander or

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your wingman or anybody else you open up

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your mouth to anybody he says we'll get

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you a Walk of Life the alien hypothesis

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fits the facts don't due respect in the

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Air Force I believe that some of them

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will prove to be of interplanetary

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organs no again no indication of aliens

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or extraterrestrial activity with these

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recent takedown President also

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instructed the intelligence Community to

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take a broad look at the phenomenon of

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unidentified aerial objects indeed

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President Biden conducted the first ever

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daily intelligence briefing session

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devoted to this phenomenon back in June

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of 2021

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he was brief that this is not just an

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issue for the United States but one for

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the rest of the world do I have a

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commitment from you and each of our

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witnesses that you will work to reduce

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stigma share intelligence between

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agencies and as you're able with the

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public to ensure that we understand

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what's happening in our skies and sea

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every day

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years Arrow was not fully funded at the

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Department's budget request

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understanding that we cannot get into

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form can you discuss why Arrow was not

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fully funded what do you think about

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UFOs or or aliens and and quite frankly

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is having flown

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um 83 different airplanes and and had

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lots of hours we've all seen lots of

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unexplainable uh elements and you know

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the cosmos the the the the the space

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realm is so large

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is it morning I don't know it's a little

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weird right now I'm not sure what time

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it is but I'm glad you're joining us uh

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we have a pretty great show

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um today we do have our first surprise

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um Mr J Christopher King is back how are

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you I'm doing really well Sean how are

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you doing on this good on this sure to

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be historic day I mean I think we can

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talk about in a second but it's going to

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be historic no matter what happens even

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if you get totally stonewalled you know

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it's a second uh subcommittee Hearing in

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U.S Congress in over 50 years uh it's a

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big damn deal we're going to be talking

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about Sean Kirkpatrick we're going to be

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talking about Arrow we're going to

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listen to what this bipartisan committee

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has to say I'm really excited and I'm

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using my conference Mike because I'm in

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Ohio one of my family had a medical

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emergency and so I had to drive out here

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um and be around but um and I didn't

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have my my normal stuff but luckily I

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still had a bunch of gear from the

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conference so he here I am Sean in the

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in the run-up Sean was like you sound

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like a wedding DJ and I was like yeah

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basically because that's that's the

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stuff I have in my trunk right now so

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here we are

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it's great to see you yeah great to see

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you too I'm glad you can make it happen

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I know life is busy so you taking the

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time to to be here with us on this

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historic day

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like it or not like you said it is

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historic so I'm glad you could join us

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we do have another surprise

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and he was just on the show Mr Grimm

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Randall how are you

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hello there everybody how are you doing

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it's another landmark day

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um it's sort of 12 months since the last

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time we um had one of these things and

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it's the second time within 50 years as

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well but you know it all seems to be

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just so snowballing now doesn't it not

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necessarily we're getting very far with

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it but it's encouraging to see you know

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people getting together and talking

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about it in an official capacity sure

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and you got to start somewhere right

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like exactly they have a hearing and go

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right into crash retrievals and bodies

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which seem a little a little silly right

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frisky got to set up the office have a

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couple precursor hearings yeah get it

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warmed up a little bit and then maybe

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you can go for it and they have to help

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people who know what they're talking

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about as well because last time around

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um I'm not sure if you share this

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opinion but it seems to me that the

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so-called experts that they trotted out

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to talk didn't really know much of

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anything at all they're certainly not

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about the back catalog of UFO cases that

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was demonstrated quite uh quite easily

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by by what they said or what they didn't

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say so uh yeah it'd be nice to see you

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this time around they had people coming

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on and actually giving some truth to

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everything uh but I said it on this side

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the Atlantic and I'm kind of a bit

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envious of you guys across there and you

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have a functioning government who who

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are quite happy to uh to take this on

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functioning might be a strong word right

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well it's interesting may be better than

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ours because I was assumed so you know

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they just dropped the ball on this

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really uh they still claim there's

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nothing nothing to see here move on so

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you know where where in the Dark Ages as

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far as you know this kind of thing is

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concerned well there but the UK and

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other countries are probably doing what

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the US has done for the past few decades

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which is study the important cases maybe

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and just not telling anybody we're very

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sneaky picky about it all yeah anyway if

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you ever unidentified object in your

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airspace you gotta know what it is right

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whether you have a public investigation

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um it's dangerous so I'm sure there is

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stuff we have no idea about oh no doubt

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yeah so Mr Bassett isn't here he must

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have you know hit snooze too many times

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uh no it must have pissed him off at

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dinner or something I'm not sure but I'm

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I'm sure he'll I'm sure he'll be joining

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us I uh I think he's out on the west

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coast right now and so it is oh only 7

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10 a.m for him right now yeah so so um I

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might call him in a second uh and uh

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yeah he wake up dude yeah unless you

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guys want the drama of watching that

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because oh you should totally get what's

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going on air that would be great yeah

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right yeah yeah I mean

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we'll just do it reality TV style come

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on man I'll start pacing it'll be great

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um so yeah go ahead oh well one thing

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before Steve gets here you know I mean I

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guess one thing to mention Sean and I

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don't want to put you on the spot but

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you did this really cool thing the other

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day where you were you know collecting

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opinions from folks on UFO Twitter

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Etc and seeing like kind of what

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questions and what topics maybe people

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should bring up and you you had

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intentions to kind of like try to send

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that off to to somebody that might might

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be able to look at it

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about that stuff you know um so uh so

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I'm wondering you know once Steve gets

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in here it's uh we're gonna be we're

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gonna have the Steve Bassett show so I'm

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wondering if if uh if you have some of

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those if you'd like to show off uh to

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the audience today what you were doing

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that way earlier this week well I'm glad

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you asked so

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nice no I already had these on because I

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showed them yesterday yeah but uh yeah

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so I I thought I would just you know I

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was listening to Gary Nolan actually

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talk on his podcast with I think it was

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good trouble or whatever and he

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mentioned maybe getting people getting

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people's uh questions and stuff

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organized in in getting it kind of on a

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one sheet here

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um so I thought I would reach out to

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everybody see you know what everybody

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thought kind of categorized things as

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best as I could hopefully I didn't leave

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anything out and then just have people

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pick a topic as far as what they're most

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interested in which is a little bit more

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vague but I think um you know

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yeah I I like the category idea of it

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and then I asked people for questions

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what were their questions so

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um that's what I did it's pretty

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interesting

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um you know what data has been collected

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that's the number one you know

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and I thought that was pretty

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interesting so in video images and all

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that kind of stuff so you can see the

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percentages over here

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so I did that and then I stuffed all the

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questions people asked in the chat gpt4

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and asked it to give me the three

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um questions that would be most likely

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to be asked by Congressional leaders

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and I don't have no idea how accurate it

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is but this is what it spit out so

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um you know they're pretty good

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questions does zero have any sensor data

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on underwater or in space you know if so

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when can the public see it

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I think that's pretty good so the the

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questions were definitely good I'm glad

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I reached out

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um I think for as many people pay

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attention to this and you know and

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interact uh on Twitter I think it was I

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thought it was necessary to ask people

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what they thought you know and and try

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to do some work for them so I actually

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called uh Senator gella brand called her

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office and was able to talk to one of

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her assistants

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um and she kind of helped me and

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directed me to you know the best route

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to get it in front of her so that's what

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I did and

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um you know he can hope for the best

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that's [\h__\h] that's fantastic I'm so glad

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to hear that yeah yeah so I'm typically

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pretty good at making cold calls I spent

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more most of my uh uh you know adult

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life and

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um you know outside sales or whatever so

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making the cold calls is so easy for me

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so I just had to have something put

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together for the cold call so that went

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pretty good

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that's that's amazing that's awesome so

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uh Mr Rendell what are your thoughts

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going into this hearing today I mean

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this might be a really simple kind of

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like really simple and stupid question

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but what's the format going to be this

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time around are they just gonna you know

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pick up from where they left off last

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time

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um or is it going to be a kind of rehash

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again are they going to go through the

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same

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um I'm not I'm I haven't really seen an

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answer to that question yet um do either

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of you know that right that's a good

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question all I really know is you know

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what they have put uh online which is

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basically I don't have it in front of me

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right now but looks like um to receive

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testimony on the mission activities

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oversight and budget of the all domain

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anomaly resolution office so which will

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tightly Focus than the last time yeah

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and it's a little general too like you

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could fit a lot of different questions

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in you know in the mission or activities

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part of this you know so

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um

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process isn't it uh rather than kind of

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sure what people especially in the chat

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I probably want to you know to hear you

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know Graham you know just as well as I

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do like looking at the briefings Air

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Force people would give you know

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Congress people who asked or whatever

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one they'd give to Pizza information

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these people

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that's pretty much what they gave them

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they gave them their mission their

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activities

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sometimes their budget you know it was

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all very vanilla so hopefully that

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doesn't happen here like people that's a

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good way it's a good way to fill time

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isn't it and and sure demonstrate that

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you're actually doing something well not

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really doing anything right and they're

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talking about that kind of thing we

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looked over the the history of

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Congressional hearings yesterday on the

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show and a couple things stood out to me

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the first one was that um the Air Force

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always blamed nightcap Donald Kehoe or

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other UFO organizations for

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um the hubbub you know and and why

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people were so interested and they would

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complain about these UFO Specialists as

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they called them

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um badgering their Congress people and

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trying to get hearings all the time and

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stuff and then somehow some way the Air

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Force would always come out of it on top

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with something whether it was more

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budget or further accounting committee

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and they got out of the UFO public came

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to altogether or you know they would try

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to get a statement from Congress people

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saying that they trusted the Air Force

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and their methods like so and they would

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always give them stuff that the public

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pretty much already knew at the time

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which is you know there's nothing to see

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here guys and we're doing a really good

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job so just leave us alone

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you know so hopefully

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you know it's but back in the day right

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like that would happen and they would

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convince these Congress people that

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they're doing the right thing they're

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doing what they're supposed to

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so the difference here

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and it's important for people to realize

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that the difference here today is that

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Congress people aren't necessarily

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buying that line you know and they put

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through legislation they made this

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office arrow and now they're trying to

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make sure it gets the right budget you

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know so this is a whole lot different

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than the way it used to go and I think a

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lot of that could be because they're it

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you know maybe not intentionally but

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they're sidestepping the Air Force you

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know if I were to look at the history of

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hearings I'd be like well first thing we

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got to do is not get the Air Force

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you know let's start this somewhere else

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like the Navy yeah so I don't know so

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there's differences here but uh but I I

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hope that chunker Patrick you know also

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is different from you know previous

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testimony that that we've received on

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this stuff so by the end of the day

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weren't we yeah yeah

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um

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you know I don't think I'd really do is

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be honest like in the last couple of

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reports they talk about you know uh

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things that have crazy flight

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characteristics and it and that's what

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we need to dive into you know if

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are you able to say that that's a

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physical object you know that's that's

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yeah I mean I I think it's going to be

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fascinating in terms of you know this is

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kind of the first

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this is this is the first test of what

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Sean Kirkpatrick and the era office is

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really all about uh since because since

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it's been founded as you were saying

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Sean you know we don't we don't really

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have much of an understanding for where

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Sean Kirkpatrick himself really sits

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with this issue you know we've heard

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Rumblings from people we know that he

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has received testimony from people like

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Robert Salas uh maybe from Mario woods

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and others that have had you know very

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close contact experiences that have had

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very troubling experiences you know

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according to many

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um and you know we do know that he uh

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co-wrote a paper with Avi Loeb recently

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um and that that was kind of the first

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the first little hint as to where he was

445
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going which is very evidential and not

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based on anecdote you know and um so

447
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it'll be interesting to see what he has

448
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to say today in terms of like you know

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what is this level of accountability how

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much is he willing to talk about the

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long history of this topic with regard

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to the military the government our

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country and the world

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um what do you guys have to say about

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Grandma why don't you go ahead yeah um I

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think it's true yeah it's exactly true

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we haven't really got that much of a

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handle on entirely where he's coming

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from and what his position is on a lot

460
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of things you can only go with by the

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you know the the the

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little bit of information that's out

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there you mentioned the paper that he

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did with Avi lope and that just to give

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you some kind of a sense of direction

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that he might be traveling in but then

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again really you know the people can

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also have different kind of faces for

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different you know whichever people

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they're talking to at a particular time

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and they can have a different position

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sometimes um and then if they go to a

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different other

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um you know sort of group of people they

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talk to them they might have a different

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uh a way of speaking to them as well so

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they might have a tailor their output

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for different audiences you just don't

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know really and you know all better off

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until we hear him in front of this um in

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front of this the hearings today so you

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know yes okay we can summer we can

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theorize that he has a position on

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things but but really until we hear him

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speak

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um you know we don't really know for

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certain so but this will be an asset

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test certainly of you know how good

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they're going to be he and arrow are

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going to be and how effective they might

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be as well going forward but this is

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only you have to remember this is only

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the first time isn't it you know they

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have been in front of something like

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this this is a kind of Reinventing of

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the wheel if you like we've had these

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investigations for how many decades now

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and they set one up and it's almost like

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your birthday kind of growing pains

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doesn't it

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um they have to go through a certain

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process

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um before they get going so it might be

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you know maybe

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um you know judging somebody unfairly if

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we just go on what what they're saying

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today

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um we might have to wait until the next

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time around and if they're still there

510
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of course because there's no guarantees

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that these things don't get canned

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within a year or two you know if budgets

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change or priorities change or something

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else changes you know um world politic

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and all the rest of it yeah you you know

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there's no guarantee that Arrow will be

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it will exist in its particular form as

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a machine at the moment yeah we've seen

519
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a year from now you know we've seen it

520
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switched a couple of times already a

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couple different names and yeah I would

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just add that we we haven't even heard

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Sean kirpatrick speak once yet yes so we

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have no idea even if he's like a cocky

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guy a shy guy or you know like we have

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no idea so it'll be interesting uh you

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know kind of getting a feeling for him

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as a person the other thing I would say

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is uh you know it does say something

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that uh he reached out to Avi Loeb and

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they wrote the paper that they did you

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know and Avi actually wrote a little

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blog about it saying like they wouldn't

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have reached out to me if everything was

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all explained you know if they didn't

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need help with something else and I

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think that's very true like the only

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reason he would reach out to Dr Loeb and

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and write co-write a paper like that is

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if there were instances of

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um you know or events of objects that

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they don't know what they are otherwise

543
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why would they go through that process

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you know it would they would know what

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everything is already and and people I

546
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think people forget that too like if

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this was all just about balloons and

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we have a special guest Jay if if you

549
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wanna do you want to do a classic Jay

550
00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:24,720
introduction oh I I I don't have a

551
00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:26,280
classic J introduction in that I'm not

552
00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:28,020
going to just read his standard bio but

553
00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:29,940
I will say that I've been talking with

554
00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:32,100
Stephen Bassett recently

555
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,500
um uh due to us both we're both going to

556
00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:36,480
be out of contact in the desert uh near

557
00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:39,240
Palm Springs in June and Steve has done

558
00:21:44,450 --> 00:21:41,460
like amazing things behind the scenes to

559
00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:44,460
help put things together not just there

560
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,980
but within the general Community for

561
00:21:52,190 --> 00:21:49,440
many years and it you know Sean and I

562
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,200
were talking and I I it was just

563
00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:53,760
impossible to come up with a better name

564
00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:57,780
than than the than than Steve Bassett

565
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,460
from Paradigm research group who has

566
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:01,919
been working in this community and on

567
00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:03,900
this particular topic for so many years

568
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,059
it's great to have you here today Steve

569
00:22:10,850 --> 00:22:08,159
thanks gentlemen I'm happy to be here

570
00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:10,860
this is a uh another significant step

571
00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:14,280
forward uh to where inevitably we are

572
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,440
going which is going to be disclosure

573
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:18,720
from the United States President it is

574
00:22:25,549 --> 00:22:21,480
orderly it is appropriate it involves

575
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,559
high-level people uh and uh I'm sure

576
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:27,360
that what we'll learn today will be

577
00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:29,640
significant will it be what the people

578
00:22:34,669 --> 00:22:32,520
that want this now what no no we're not

579
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:34,679
going to get anything profound we're

580
00:22:38,810 --> 00:22:36,659
going to get a procedural Hearing in

581
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:38,820
which Sean is going to kind of update

582
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:41,820
that very important committee I think uh

583
00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:45,000
gillibrand is going to put a new and

584
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:47,700
more emphasis on the funding which he

585
00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:49,860
brought up to uh Secretary of Defense

586
00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:52,200
Austin that's never happened before in

587
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,299
the history of this issue add a hearing

588
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,159
before that same subcommittee on

589
00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:58,440
emerging Technologies uh merging threats

590
00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:01,320
and capabilities uh on May 28th which

591
00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:02,820
got a lot of news this is going to get

592
00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:05,820
even more news uh and So for anybody

593
00:23:13,970 --> 00:23:09,179
that is doubting that this is somehow a

594
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:13,980
game a ruse a charade no no this is the

595
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:15,299
government doing what it should have

596
00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:19,140
done in 1970 and 47. I could have done

597
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,720
it in 1953 particularly after the

598
00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:23,600
extraordinary events of 52 in Washington

599
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:25,740
should have definitely done when the

600
00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:27,659
Cold War essentially ended for the first

601
00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:30,360
time in 1991 should have happened during

602
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,000
the Clinton Administration but they just

603
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:35,039
couldn't do it they've shoved it down

604
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:39,059
another what now 20 uh a year 30 years

605
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:43,200
since from 1993 and the time has run out

606
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,419
the truth embargo is a dead lie walking

607
00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:48,000
it's only a matter of time and this

608
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:49,980
hearing is just one more step in that

609
00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:52,500
process but most importantly the thing

610
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:53,820
you want to take away from this hearing

611
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,000
as you watch it is it a woman whose star

612
00:24:02,029 --> 00:23:59,460
is rising in the Democratic party who

613
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:02,039
was a legitimate candidate in a crowded

614
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,140
field in the last election but held up

615
00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:06,840
very well who was almost certainly going

616
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,960
to run for president again because Joe

617
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:12,000
Biden is not going to run again but he

618
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,860
is certainly not going to tell you that

619
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:16,799
until the latest possible time because a

620
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:19,320
lame duck president it has a much more

621
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:21,419
difficult time getting their agenda

622
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:22,559
pursued

623
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:26,159
but he will turn uh step down and she

624
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:28,140
will be one of the first she will be a

625
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,740
candidate and the the irony of all this

626
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,120
is that there is an excellent

627
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:35,039
possibility that Senator Kirsten

628
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:39,120
gillibrand is going to ride a UAP into

629
00:24:43,730 --> 00:24:41,159
the White House and I thought I would

630
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,740
never say that we should be a disclose a

631
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:45,840
disclosure president in the future in

632
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:48,780
that case uh no I I I the way this has

633
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:50,580
to go down is disclosure has got to

634
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,419
happen from uh uh President Biden before

635
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:56,400
the uh the primary season begins

636
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,100
actually before the political season

637
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:01,200
begins which now starts six months too

638
00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:03,900
early uh I mean that is we need to have

639
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,820
the major Witnesses in front of the

640
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,200
Senate Intel committee and other

641
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:09,900
committees soon could easily happen with

642
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,880
the next couple of weeks I sure they can

643
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:13,919
call those hearings anytime we know

644
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:15,059
they've interviewed quite a few

645
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:17,340
Witnesses including Bob Salas and many

646
00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:18,840
of the nuclear weapons tampering

647
00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:21,179
witnesses as well as the pilots I assure

648
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,500
you they didn't bring him into DC to

649
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:24,000
interview them just because they want to

650
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:26,520
get to know them that is the process you

651
00:25:30,769 --> 00:25:28,200
must go through if you're going to have

652
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,779
a full formal hearing with hundreds of

653
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,640
millions of people watching you

654
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:35,760
interview them at DOD or Arrow then the

655
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:37,980
the committee staff interviews them to

656
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:39,720
understand what is your testimony what

657
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:41,400
you're going to present not telling them

658
00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:44,100
what to say but basically they need to

659
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:46,380
know the basic testimony so they can

660
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:48,779
formulate the right questions but once

661
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:49,799
they're under oath they'll say whatever

662
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,419
the hell they want and the members of

663
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:52,799
the committee will ask whatever question

664
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,559
they want and so and but they want it to

665
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:57,840
be appropriate and professional they

666
00:26:01,610 --> 00:25:59,580
want everybody to look good so they

667
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:01,620
interview in advance that has happened

668
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:04,919
already and so I'm expecting hearings

669
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:08,400
soon once Bob Salas and some of these

670
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,140
pilots and some of these other nuclear

671
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,679
witness testimonies are put under oath

672
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,480
in front of a committee such as the

673
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:17,400
Senate Intel with hundreds of millions

674
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,860
of people watching

675
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:22,559
you can just about start counting the

676
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:24,179
days until the president of the United

677
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,100
States can can comfortably then go

678
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:28,799
before the American people and say hey I

679
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:30,900
watched it too I've talked to my key

680
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,980
people

681
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:33,840
we have a non-human intelligence

682
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:37,200
engaging us I'm so looking forward to

683
00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:39,299
learning so much more about that I mean

684
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,100
that's what we're missing right is is

685
00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:43,440
the testimony from people that are very

686
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:46,140
convicted that like Bob Salas I mean or

687
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:47,820
Mario Woods we've had him on this

688
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:50,700
channel like my my dad actually said

689
00:26:58,669 --> 00:26:54,299
because if how can anyone who listens to

690
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:58,679
that guy not believe him like he is so

691
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:01,860
serious and real and authentic so once

692
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,200
the public hears that stuff yeah I agree

693
00:27:08,529 --> 00:27:06,480
with you I think you know the script

694
00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:08,539
will flip I have a pile of the

695
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:12,179
affidavits that I think eight or nine of

696
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,960
These Fine gentlemen submitted and in a

697
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,760
put together for a press conference all

698
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,919
the way back in 2010 and they were

699
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:22,080
distributed to the press and I've handed

700
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,380
them out and what happened buckets all

701
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,320
right they they did a documentary bubkus

702
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:31,200
there was a book two books duck Butkus

703
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:34,260
that's true why because that threshold

704
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:37,740
could was not crossed we weren't in a

705
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:40,140
place where people who should be reading

706
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:41,880
those affidavits and bringing those

707
00:27:46,810 --> 00:27:44,460
people into DC could do it that

708
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,820
threshold was crossed in December of

709
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:49,679
2017. and the only reason they are they

710
00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:51,539
haven't already been testifying in front

711
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:54,419
of Congress is because a lot of

712
00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:57,179
strange and rather unpleasant things

713
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,120
have happened since December of 2017.

714
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:02,159
it's a complicated World a dangerous

715
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,779
world and so it slowed it down but five

716
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:08,880
years when you consider the truth

717
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,740
embargo is in its 73rd 76th year uh five

718
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:15,840
years and all the things we've seen I'll

719
00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:18,360
take that now I'm not getting any

720
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:21,980
younger so let's get it done okay

721
00:28:28,669 --> 00:28:26,640
yeah so that's it I'm happy with the

722
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:28,679
pace I'm happy with this happening I ask

723
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:31,080
people to be patient and and and and

724
00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:34,260
again I also ask them this is the time

725
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:37,799
not for I told you so's or it or screeds

726
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:40,140
it's the time to send really very

727
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:44,460
positive praising twitters uh tweets to

728
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:46,020
every single member of Congress that's

729
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,700
raised their hand and asked a question

730
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:49,620
and wanted to do something tell them how

731
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,200
wonderful they are I assure you they

732
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,000
really like to hear that and they really

733
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,340
like to tell other people in the in the

734
00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:58,559
Congress how how well they're being

735
00:29:02,269 --> 00:28:59,700
received

736
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,279
yeah I really like that actually uh on

737
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,320
the other show on a show I did a couple

738
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:06,000
days ago I actually repeated that

739
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:07,500
message because I heard you say that and

740
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:09,179
I think that's great and if you treat

741
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:11,100
people with kindness and you know and

742
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:13,260
respect and gratitude maybe somebody

743
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:15,240
else will see that and go I want some of

744
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,400
that too maybe I'll start getting in on

745
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,640
the UAP thing you know so I think that's

746
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:22,559
a great message let me ask you this I'm

747
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:23,520
curious

748
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:26,760
um from 2017 until now how do you feel

749
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:29,340
the this process has gone do you feel

750
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,500
like there is anything that could have

751
00:29:48,669 --> 00:29:34,380
been done better or is everything pretty

752
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:51,169
nah let's just don't charge up that hill

753
00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:52,860
you know side by side and get

754
00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:55,799
slaughtered uh no I I have said many

755
00:29:59,450 --> 00:29:57,179
times

756
00:30:02,510 --> 00:29:59,460
this is a paradigm shift of

757
00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:02,520
unprecedented proportions it is the

758
00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:05,100
result it is following 75 years on the

759
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,600
most extraordinary things the

760
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:08,159
governments of any country has ever done

761
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:10,679
which is somehow truth embargo or

762
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,500
embargo a reality that's flying over our

763
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:15,360
heads all the time I mean it was like

764
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:17,340
and without having to assassinate people

765
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,799
and round us up and put us in jail uh

766
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:21,840
it's a so the idea that it was going to

767
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:26,159
get resolved easily no uh and and given

768
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,500
all the the entities and agencies and

769
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,480
people involved both past and present

770
00:30:34,610 --> 00:30:32,880
was it going to be not messy of course

771
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:34,620
it was going to be messy awkward

772
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,240
difficult yes uh but what isn't right

773
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:41,640
pick something else that isn't right

774
00:30:47,049 --> 00:30:44,100
let's talk about our our uh our exit

775
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,059
from Afghanistan didn't go smoothly

776
00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:49,620
these are this is history these are big

777
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:52,919
things but if they continue in a

778
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:55,860
reasonable and an orderly way and if

779
00:31:02,810 --> 00:30:59,520
people do what is right and they start

780
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:02,820
focusing on authenticity and truth

781
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,000
instead of BS and manipulation if we

782
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,399
will get to where we have to go and not

783
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:10,620
and I encourage people don't focus on

784
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:14,460
this odd thing or that screw up uh or

785
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:17,340
jump on every debunking item that gets

786
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:18,299
thrown up

787
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:21,000
uh I but I it's gonna happen

788
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:24,960
get yourself up at 30 000 feet right and

789
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,539
look down on the process from there have

790
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:30,000
a cool drink with you okay not the pilot

791
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:32,940
just you and and try to see everything

792
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:35,159
from that perspective and see the larger

793
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,100
picture unfolding when you do that a lot

794
00:31:42,769 --> 00:31:40,080
of the anxiety Falls away and it's

795
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:42,779
easier to to see what I'm seeing which

796
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:45,240
is we're heading for disclosure and

797
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:47,880
hopefully and very likely before the

798
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:50,460
political season begins for the 2024

799
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,159
election they do not want to have this

800
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:55,380
issue still hanging out

801
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,679
as as at several hundred people start to

802
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:01,260
run for the presidency that will be a

803
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,899
mess on the other hand if disclosure has

804
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:05,880
happened and that issue is now worldwide

805
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,820
accepted and in play a fact then every

806
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,799
one of the politicians can speak to it

807
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:13,679
in a thoughtful and orderly way uh

808
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:16,440
without having to put any BS out and and

809
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,419
and be able to speak to what is a

810
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:20,940
nonpartisan issue so that people won't

811
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:22,919
be laughing at them they'll go oh that's

812
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:24,659
a you know I think you're a complete

813
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,820
idiot sir but boy what you're saying

814
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,860
about the oap issue if that makes sense

815
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,080
I kind of like you why don't you talk

816
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:33,360
that way about everything else so that's

817
00:32:39,529 --> 00:32:36,419
my take disclosure this year before the

818
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:39,539
campaign season begins now now one

819
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,500
interesting thing about that that's

820
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,480
great to hear Steve I I appreciate your

821
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:43,919
optimism I always appreciate your

822
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:46,740
optimism and um you know I mean one one

823
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:49,740
thing here is that you know it

824
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:51,960
sometimes people think about the

825
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,679
disclosure process and the process of of

826
00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:57,600
revealing more information to the

827
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:59,520
general public at least as far as like

828
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,020
the US military the government is

829
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,059
concerned you know you know if we're

830
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,799
going to ignore everything that's

831
00:33:09,769 --> 00:33:07,080
happened in Academia everything that's

832
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:09,779
happening in like the VC world and new

833
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:10,980
technologies and things like that if

834
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:13,740
we're just squarely focused on DC you

835
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,899
know there is the aspect where even

836
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,760
within DC we have these differing

837
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:19,860
factions right we've got the dod and

838
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:20,820
they seem to be like running

839
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:23,340
interference all often and like you know

840
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:25,019
we've been dealing with the Aero office

841
00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:27,059
that is kind of like under the auspices

842
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,880
of daod who has been you know frankly

843
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,919
like I don't want to use the word but

844
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,320
have been like blocking you know the

845
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:37,200
process uh and in a large in a large

846
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,960
form way for many years and here we have

847
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:41,519
this representative and we're going to

848
00:33:45,409 --> 00:33:43,260
be hearing from him in the public for

849
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:45,419
the first time in a way and we're

850
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:46,860
wondering like what kind of cards is

851
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:48,659
he's going to play right because he's

852
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:50,519
been hearing from Bob's cells he's been

853
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:51,899
hearing from these other people and we

854
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,659
also know from The New York Times from

855
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:56,399
the work of Leslie Kane Ralph Blumenthal

856
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,440
and others that that people like Eric

857
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:01,500
Davis people like Bob Salas and others

858
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,679
have been also giving testimony to other

859
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:07,260
people besides Sean Kirkpatrick so do

860
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:08,700
you think that there's an element here

861
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,260
where we're going to hear from Sean

862
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:11,520
Kirkpatrick and we're going to be

863
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:13,980
wondering you know is this a step in the

864
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:16,139
process where it's not smooth sailing

865
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,339
but it's a guy who's going to be

866
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:19,200
painting himself into a corner for the

867
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,000
benefit of other people

868
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:23,040
I don't think so first of all let's be

869
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,320
careful language they haven't testified

870
00:34:29,889 --> 00:34:26,879
to other people

871
00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:29,899
they've given briefings on the hill

872
00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:33,000
I can't even imagine how many members of

873
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:36,200
Congress now have gotten a a a a

874
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:39,540
classified briefing it's a lot all the

875
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,339
top committees the armed services it's

876
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:43,440
Intel and so forth and of course they're

877
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:45,300
now you know chatting it up with some of

878
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:46,740
their colleagues and friends in the

879
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:48,359
lunchroom and whatever it's spreading

880
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,500
through Congress but they've gotten

881
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:51,480
briefings we know that many witnesses

882
00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:53,339
have been taking up been taken up on the

883
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:55,619
hill by Christopher Mellon and some

884
00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,040
others to quote brief them brief members

885
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:01,859
of congress not testify to them all

886
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:03,420
right to give them background

887
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,820
information all of these politicians

888
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:08,160
right now even the ones that are have

889
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:09,960
have no connection to this issue in a

890
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:13,500
public way are all among other things

891
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,780
such as raising vast sums of money so

892
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:17,220
they can get reelected and whatever else

893
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:20,040
they have to do they are all trying to

894
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,380
think how are we going to address this

895
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:24,960
issue what are we going to do some of

896
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:27,060
them are going right at it and the

897
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:29,460
classic example is says Congressman Tim

898
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,980
Burchette who cannot get in front of too

899
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:33,839
many microphones and say the

900
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:35,700
extraterrestrials are here and we have

901
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:38,579
crash technology which happens to be

902
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,480
true

903
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:42,240
and you have to give him credit for that

904
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:44,579
he he sees that as a plus for himself

905
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:46,680
and that's good and and what Tim is

906
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:48,420
doing is like an icebreaker he's making

907
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:50,220
it easier for others to come forward

908
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,160
with more moderate statements but

909
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:56,040
testimony is about sitting in front of a

910
00:36:02,569 --> 00:36:00,180
hearing table taking an oath and asking

911
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,579
answering questions about your your

912
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:05,280
knowledge and history on this issue to a

913
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:07,079
member of the house or Senate with

914
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:09,000
millions of people watching that is a

915
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:10,740
whole different thing and that has not

916
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:12,900
happened and that's not Kirkpatrick's

917
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:15,180
job his job is to come on there and tell

918
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:18,119
us what Bob Salas has told him all of

919
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:20,579
that is the pre-hearing work

920
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,780
his job is to bring attention to what

921
00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:26,240
arrow is doing

922
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:30,839
to satisfy gillibrand that the demands

923
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:32,940
that she and others included in those

924
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:35,339
two extraordinary pieces of legislation

925
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:39,300
the ndaa 2022-2023 acts which was just

926
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,940
unprecedented right A lot of people just

927
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:43,619
take that for granted oh don't we don't

928
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,300
we write legislation like that all the

929
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,240
time no we don't all right and and

930
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:50,880
essentially do the show show the flag do

931
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:53,099
the right thing is she going to press

932
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,020
him and try to put him in a corner I

933
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:57,359
don't think so I don't think so at all

934
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:59,339
he will say the kinds of things you

935
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:01,079
would expect from the head of a new

936
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:04,680
Department as to what is going on now

937
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:06,359
there are other members on that

938
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:10,140
committee right besides gillibrand who

939
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,320
could ask John anything they want now

940
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,880
these kinds of committees at that level

941
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,800
such as the subcommittees of the armed

942
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,200
services uh committee as well as the

943
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:21,780
Intel committees these are members who

944
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:23,940
by and large are pretty disciplined they

945
00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:25,260
don't they don't get wild and crazy

946
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,420
these are serious committees involving

947
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,400
the national National Defense and what

948
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:31,920
have you and so I don't expect too much

949
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:34,560
but just just to give you a taste of

950
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:36,540
what could happen let us go back to the

951
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,420
hearing from Moultrie and Bray led by

952
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,420
Andre Carson when another member of

953
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:45,119
Congress who has made a decision that I

954
00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:49,440
got this by the name of Mike Gallagher

955
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:51,740
as we approach the end of that hearing

956
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:55,200
deliberately and with intent brought up

957
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,820
two things

958
00:38:02,270 --> 00:37:59,040
just out of nowhere

959
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:02,280
uh a certain right do you know anything

960
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:05,700
about the nuclear weapons things that

961
00:38:10,609 --> 00:38:08,579
have happened uh just asking and Dre

962
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:10,619
wasn't there to talk about that he

963
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:12,300
wasn't an abusive he wasn't even that

964
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,980
formal head of anything he was like an

965
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,800
interim guy and he just basically had to

966
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,140
say well we don't know and naturally he

967
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:21,119
took a lot of grief over that I feel

968
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:24,060
sorry for the guy but then

969
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:26,520
uh Gallagher wasn't done

970
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:30,359
he then turns and hands to Carson

971
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:32,820
I would like to put the Wilson Davis

972
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:36,240
notes into the Congressional Record all

973
00:38:40,849 --> 00:38:38,760
right so let's just say that something

974
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:40,859
like that could happen one of the

975
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:42,900
members of the armed services

976
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:45,839
subcommittee could just decide to turn

977
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:48,780
to gillibrand and by the way I have

978
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:50,579
these documents about such and such and

979
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:51,780
such and such and I want to put them

980
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:52,740
into the record

981
00:38:59,089 --> 00:38:55,859
so is that a good thing or a bad thing I

982
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,099
don't know uh I I I I think it's not

983
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,560
likely to happen but it could happen but

984
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:03,839
the most important thing gentlemen and

985
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:06,300
people watching need to understand is

986
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,800
that when a hearing like this happens

987
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:10,020
it's not just we had a hearing something

988
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:13,320
was said we move on this hearing is a

989
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:16,140
message that is sent to every single

990
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,540
member of the House and Senate and all

991
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:20,880
of the Senate staff as well as the White

992
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:23,579
House staff it is a message sent to all

993
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:25,320
the lieutenant Colonels and Colonels in

994
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:29,339
the dod all right this is real it is

995
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:31,980
happening you need to start getting on

996
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,020
board you need to start taking it

997
00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:36,480
seriously if you haven't yet all right

998
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:39,060
your future with the Department of

999
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:40,859
Defense or your future as a member of

1000
00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:43,980
Congress may depend on how you handle

1001
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:45,180
this issue

1002
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:47,160
and they are basically saying what I've

1003
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:49,260
been saying for years but without using

1004
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,140
the words the most profound event in

1005
00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:54,839
human history is taking place

1006
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:57,480
how do you want to be seen in respect to

1007
00:40:01,730 --> 00:39:59,700
this in history do you want to make a

1008
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:01,740
fool of yourself do you want to continue

1009
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:03,960
to hang on to the truth embargo until

1010
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:06,599
the last dog dies or do you want to get

1011
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,000
in the truth business get in the orderly

1012
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:12,000
process of making this possible that

1013
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,619
message is being sent in a number of

1014
00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:15,780
ways and it will be sent again this

1015
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:16,060
morning

1016
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:18,540
[Music]

1017
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,760
beautiful thank you yeah thank you so

1018
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,520
much I I'm wondering like from everybody

1019
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:25,920
here if you don't mind Sean me wondering

1020
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:29,040
just like what do you think given that

1021
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:31,020
this is a relatively procedural hearing

1022
00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:32,220
that's going to be kind of the first

1023
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:35,099
update in a way from Arrow in front of

1024
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:37,320
the subcommittee in terms of like this

1025
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,960
office recently being stood up or

1026
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:41,880
standing up or however you phrase it

1027
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,119
right like how like what is the most

1028
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,700
significant data point because we heard

1029
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:50,400
from um people like Chris Mellon we've

1030
00:40:55,210 --> 00:40:53,400
heard uh from Sean you know online on

1031
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:55,220
Twitter getting getting

1032
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:58,260
questions strategy strategic questions

1033
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,920
from folks online and from the thought

1034
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:03,359
leaders in the field in terms of like

1035
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,160
what can be asked and what could be

1036
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:06,720
answered in this hearing that could be

1037
00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:09,660
the most revealing piece of data

1038
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:12,119
um that could possibly happen at this

1039
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:14,760
stage of the game where we are today in

1040
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,119
2023 what do you guys think that's a

1041
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,160
great question and and hard to answer

1042
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:22,079
without having the data yourself right

1043
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:23,339
but I would

1044
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:25,560
what I would uh ask is something along

1045
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:27,720
the lines of do you do you have any data

1046
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:29,220
that shows

1047
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,099
um objects being transmedium moving from

1048
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:34,440
space to the atmosphere to water or vice

1049
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:36,119
versa I think that would be a great

1050
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:38,520
question to to ask because all Zs to

1051
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:40,260
Simply do is say yes

1052
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,119
and and that puts it on a different

1053
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:44,339
course you know but you know he can say

1054
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:45,960
yes but I can't share with you the

1055
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:48,960
actual data because of you know the what

1056
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:52,079
it was captured on is classified so I

1057
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:54,180
think that would be fantastic

1058
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,760
um you know but I'm also very impatient

1059
00:42:02,510 --> 00:41:59,760
so you can just go in and say I hope you

1060
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:02,520
didn't show up today without the body

1061
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:04,980
because if you did we're wasting our

1062
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:10,200
freaking time yeah you know but uh and I

1063
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,579
also think it would be appropriate to

1064
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:13,200
follow up on things like Wilson Davis

1065
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:14,940
documents because they were asked about

1066
00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:16,320
in the last hearing and put in the

1067
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:18,119
Congressional Record I think that would

1068
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:20,520
be appropriate or even Maelstrom to

1069
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,140
follow up on that but they probably have

1070
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:23,520
their own agenda because they're a

1071
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:26,099
different committee so

1072
00:42:31,849 --> 00:42:28,920
what would be appropriate is for

1073
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:31,859
Bob Salas to sit in a caring table under

1074
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:34,980
oath and discuss that event yeah what

1075
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:37,500
would be appropriate is for any of the

1076
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:40,140
witnesses with respect to do that not

1077
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:43,619
Sean Kirkpatrick he to the to the extent

1078
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,440
that he speaks to any Will Davis

1079
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,720
and Wilson should be the ones discussing

1080
00:42:54,190 --> 00:42:50,880
it in front of his hearing on your oath

1081
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,200
and one of the reasons that's important

1082
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:59,630
when Sean Kirkpatrick at that level

1083
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:01,859
mentions Bob Salas or any of these other

1084
00:43:04,569 --> 00:43:03,720
things he's putting these people on a

1085
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,579
spot

1086
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:06,960
they're not in a position to testify

1087
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,760
there's no formal process and he's just

1088
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,140
kind of throwing it out there what what

1089
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:12,720
what you know uh Wilson or Davis is

1090
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,339
they're gonna have the Press try to come

1091
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,980
at them and what what do you want that's

1092
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,140
not the way you want to do this

1093
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,839
and so he's not going to talk that way

1094
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,480
he's going to give her an update on the

1095
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,339
funding situation

1096
00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:28,920
the scope of the cross-agency committee

1097
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:32,819
how much is already in place all right

1098
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,240
he may give a a summary of the data

1099
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,880
that's coming in and how successful they

1100
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:41,520
are of organizing that process

1101
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:45,359
all right but it will be notable that if

1102
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:46,920
one of the other members of the

1103
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,859
committee with their own agenda ask him

1104
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:52,319
that tough question like and here's a

1105
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:54,300
question that might be answered and it

1106
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:55,560
shouldn't be asked I think it's a

1107
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:58,680
reasonable question Dr Kirkpatrick it

1108
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:00,119
has been mentioned in a number of news

1109
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,660
articles that Witnesses such as the

1110
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,119
former sacrace officers have been

1111
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:08,940
pre-interviewed or interviewed by Arrow

1112
00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:12,480
why have you done that is that in

1113
00:44:19,309 --> 00:44:14,660
anticipation of hearings taking place

1114
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,319
right uh and so forth all right uh that

1115
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:21,920
would be a a pretty significant question

1116
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,140
that is appropriate to ask and the

1117
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:28,020
answer is yes we are interviewing them

1118
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:30,660
we would like to have uh note what they

1119
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:33,300
are what what kind of testimonies they

1120
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:36,720
may have and she may ask

1121
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:39,420
were those hearings in preparation for

1122
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,359
uh were those uh interviews in

1123
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:45,839
preparation for hearings before some

1124
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,540
congressional committees that would be a

1125
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:51,359
good question a legitimate question and

1126
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,680
all he has to do is say yes and boy the

1127
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,599
light in a lot of reporter's eyes is

1128
00:45:03,349 --> 00:44:59,220
going to suddenly go on and they're

1129
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,359
gonna Oh you mean yeah we are going to

1130
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,760
have those hearings so if I'm killer

1131
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,920
brand I would ask the questions that

1132
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:09,960
tips off the American people and the

1133
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,599
rest of the Congress that yeah there are

1134
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:14,579
hearings coming you you didn't think

1135
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:17,099
they weren't were you so look for that

1136
00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:19,619
something like that is it is it a game

1137
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,579
playing not exactly it is appropriate to

1138
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:26,400
the process right we're dealing with

1139
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,140
important matters a lot of people's

1140
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,760
careers are involved agencies

1141
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:32,640
reputations are involved even though

1142
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,859
there has been a truth embargo for 70

1143
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:37,500
years we were irritated by that that

1144
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:39,900
doesn't mean that the the end of the

1145
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,300
truth embargo has got to be you know

1146
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:45,119
like the French Revolution right with

1147
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,500
people running up and down the streets

1148
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:48,480
and creating barricade AIDS and cutting

1149
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:51,420
off heads and stuff no no no no no it

1150
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:53,700
needs to be orderly but it does need to

1151
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:56,460
be expeditious that'll be the logical

1152
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:58,140
Next Step though wouldn't it be Steve it

1153
00:46:02,089 --> 00:45:59,819
would actually getting Witnesses on the

1154
00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:02,099
record under oath you're saying what

1155
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:04,260
they know rather than this kind of drip

1156
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,599
fee that we've had for decades now where

1157
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,160
they're interviewed by certain people

1158
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:10,260
and the um they're in magazines and

1159
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:12,359
they're in books Etc but nothing formal

1160
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:14,099
nothing that you can actually you know

1161
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,300
sort of hang something over them say

1162
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,640
look is this definitely true what you're

1163
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:19,800
saying so they're actually on the record

1164
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:22,740
and under oath and then it becomes a

1165
00:46:25,609 --> 00:46:23,819
much formal process and then you can

1166
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,619
also go to the Air Force as well and you

1167
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,660
can get them to come on the record I

1168
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,800
don't know if that's possible as well

1169
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:31,020
but because otherwise it's it's a case

1170
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:33,000
of from from my point of view it's a

1171
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:35,339
case of US versus them if you like and

1172
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:36,900
it's one side saying yeah this exists

1173
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:38,099
and then the Air Force come along and

1174
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:39,780
say well no it doesn't you know how

1175
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:42,119
what's the Air Forces

1176
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,980
um involvement going forward from this

1177
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:45,540
point are they still going to just

1178
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:48,300
Stonewall it or uh is are they

1179
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:50,099
undermined by people coming forward and

1180
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:52,260
going on the record you know how much

1181
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:54,180
weight do you give the witness

1182
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:57,660
statements under oath when you've got

1183
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:00,660
you know Decades of U.S Air Force kind

1184
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:03,660
of um just denial basically

1185
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,300
well first of all it is not the job of

1186
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:08,280
the Air Force the Navy or any other

1187
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,540
service to quote deliver the goods no

1188
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:14,460
way all right there are so many reasons

1189
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:16,020
why that's not going to happen that's

1190
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:19,500
not their job there is only one person

1191
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,200
that can end this embargo and

1192
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:24,540
essentially declassify the fundamental

1193
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:25,980
core truth and that's the president of

1194
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:29,160
the United States nobody else is in that

1195
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,020
position of authority

1196
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:34,200
and so the Air Force and the Navy have

1197
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,560
got to sit back and wait to be told what

1198
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:38,400
to do

1199
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:41,099
now they have participated in some

1200
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:43,140
things all right they have been asked to

1201
00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:45,420
do some things and they have done them

1202
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:47,339
but the idea that they're going to be

1203
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,500
aggressive about it or act on their own

1204
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:52,560
no no and the fact that they they have

1205
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:54,300
been complicit in the truth embargo

1206
00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:57,540
going back to the 60s and 50s that's

1207
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,300
ancient history most of the people that

1208
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:02,880
were doing that are dead all right so

1209
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:04,619
now you have a new crop of individuals

1210
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:07,859
who are going to be uh saddle not saddle

1211
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:10,200
but they're going to be required one of

1212
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:12,180
their their their jobs one of the things

1213
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:13,740
that we'll they'll look back on in their

1214
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,040
career is that I was part of the process

1215
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,920
which finally ended the Embargo on this

1216
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:22,079
truth and we got it out to the American

1217
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:25,140
people and then after that we went

1218
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:27,420
through a somewhat complicated process

1219
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:30,119
in which information was what we'll call

1220
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:32,819
revealing information disclosure small D

1221
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:35,640
took place in which more and more

1222
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:38,220
knowledge in government hands was

1223
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:40,140
provided to the American people in an

1224
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:43,380
orderly fashion right without violating

1225
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:45,420
National Security

1226
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:49,380
but under some pressure uh and and some

1227
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,200
disagreement meaning well we want more

1228
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,180
we want this now well we can't give you

1229
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,920
this now and so forth they'll be part of

1230
00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:58,200
that they will be part of a paradigm

1231
00:49:02,930 --> 00:48:59,940
shift and a truth process that I'm sure

1232
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:02,940
they will be very proud of this is what

1233
00:49:08,569 --> 00:49:06,060
is happening and so you have to kind of

1234
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:08,579
put the past in the rear view mirror for

1235
00:49:13,609 --> 00:49:11,579
now all right the the the process of

1236
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,619
ending the truth embargo is not

1237
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,319
relitigating every abuse of power and

1238
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:18,319
every mistake that was made for 70 years

1239
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,780
it is the process in the moment of

1240
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:23,760
getting the right people in front of the

1241
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:25,980
right committees with testimony under

1242
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:29,579
oath which will then be uh thoroughly

1243
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:32,099
vetted by the the journalists and and

1244
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:34,020
the media which will then spread that

1245
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:35,819
information out

1246
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:40,380
uh and and and Lead somewhere right this

1247
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:42,359
is not about well we need to have a

1248
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:43,980
hearing and then we can move on to the

1249
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:46,140
other nonsense that we deal with no this

1250
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,180
is leading somewhere it has to lead

1251
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:50,400
somewhere look the Watergate hearings

1252
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,060
which were probably even more extensive

1253
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:56,160
than what these will be went on forever

1254
00:50:02,329 --> 00:49:59,220
were incredibly complicated but riveting

1255
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:02,339
on television orange is being done so

1256
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:04,980
they had something to do they had a

1257
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,680
specific goal

1258
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,359
will the president of the United States

1259
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:12,480
be forced to resign and or be impeached

1260
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:15,660
and and forced to resign or not

1261
00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:18,540
and ultimately it achieved that outcome

1262
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:21,000
it got to a place where the testimony

1263
00:50:24,589 --> 00:50:23,579
under oath before hundreds of millions

1264
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:24,599
of people

1265
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,859
clearly showed that President Nixon had

1266
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:31,520
how would you say done egregious things

1267
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:35,460
and he made the decision to resign

1268
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:38,520
and that's fine that was a big negative

1269
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:41,339
right that was a negative thing one of

1270
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:42,420
the things that people don't understand

1271
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,520
or forget about what's going on now this

1272
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:47,040
isn't a big negative this is a massive

1273
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:50,160
positive those hearings about Nixon were

1274
00:50:53,809 --> 00:50:52,260
painful and brutal and difficult

1275
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,819
particularly if you're a republican

1276
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:55,980
because all it was about was getting rid

1277
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,140
of a president right and that was going

1278
00:51:01,790 --> 00:50:59,520
to be a pain and then you're going to

1279
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,800
have uh Ford having to decide whether to

1280
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,599
Pardon him which he did and then ended

1281
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:06,480
his political career all negative

1282
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:09,660
this is about finally revealing to the

1283
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:12,540
entire world that you're not the only

1284
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:15,900
Advanced species and civilization in a

1285
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:20,160
galaxy with 500 billion planets all

1286
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:20,819
right

1287
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:24,660
and so wow that's not a negative that's

1288
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:27,540
a really cool thing all right and so

1289
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:29,700
that is one of the reasons why once this

1290
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:31,079
thing gets going it's going to

1291
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:32,819
accelerate

1292
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:37,920
aided powerfully important thing and

1293
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:39,660
everybody's going to be a winner who

1294
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:42,119
gets on the right side of this uh and

1295
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:44,040
and I want people to think about it that

1296
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:45,780
way I mean I

1297
00:51:50,089 --> 00:51:48,119
and it's not going to be a process in

1298
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:50,099
which yes we get disclosure but along

1299
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,220
the way we eviscerate all those awful

1300
00:51:57,049 --> 00:51:55,200
people that did not tell us the truth

1301
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:57,059
not even though even if they're dead

1302
00:52:01,849 --> 00:51:58,680
we're going to destroy their legacy and

1303
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:01,859
also the crap no okay it it it's it's

1304
00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:04,740
it's it's it's hard and tough and

1305
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,380
irritating that it has taken 75 years

1306
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,599
but I would like to point out that one

1307
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:11,640
of the greatest movements of the 20th

1308
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,079
century which is the Civil Rights

1309
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:15,200
Movement took from

1310
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,099
1875 to 1964 before it achieved the

1311
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:22,200
fundamental goal it had to get which was

1312
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,780
the Civil Rights Act and boy a lot of

1313
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,119
people made a lot of sacrifice many

1314
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,819
never lived to see the outcome it was

1315
00:52:35,809 --> 00:52:31,680
tough it was brutal it was complicated

1316
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:35,819
but it succeeded all right so the fact

1317
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:39,119
that this process is now 76 years old I

1318
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,260
think there's a lot of civil rights

1319
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:42,720
activists would go you know

1320
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:45,599
you know walk it off dude you know

1321
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:48,660
buckle up right you're getting off easy

1322
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,079
right it's 75 years and what you're

1323
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:54,300
achieving is going to be so important

1324
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:56,099
and extraordinary for the entire world

1325
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,140
that hey

1326
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,480
uh you should be you should be grateful

1327
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:02,880
that this is the the movement and the

1328
00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:05,400
activist uh choice that you made because

1329
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:08,940
the one we made was really tough and

1330
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:12,660
very difficult and the outcome is still

1331
00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:16,020
being resolved that road is not over yet

1332
00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:18,900
uh and so I try to be understanding and

1333
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,520
I try to you know let people know hey

1334
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:22,440
look this is an activist movement it's

1335
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:25,380
76 years on it's it's coming to an end

1336
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:28,619
rejoice and tell people how how good you

1337
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:31,079
feel and tell everybody in Congress in

1338
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:34,200
the government and in a DOD how pleased

1339
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:35,700
you are that they're doing the right

1340
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:41,450
my my one beef so to speak is uh leaving

1341
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:43,619
out the past how can you really leave

1342
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,540
out the past and have any sort of

1343
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:47,760
disclosure because it's so thick and

1344
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:50,760
Rich I just don't know how you can do

1345
00:53:55,069 --> 00:53:52,680
that and does it the past and all those

1346
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:55,079
well-documented cases further cement the

1347
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,440
reality of the situation no doesn't that

1348
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,480
bolster the truth of it you don't leave

1349
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:03,119
out the past the past is going to happen

1350
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:04,319
today

1351
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:07,619
you need to leave out the past as we go

1352
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:11,400
through this Final Phase as we get to

1353
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:13,559
the disclosure event the things that

1354
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,140
have to happen that make it possible for

1355
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,000
the president to go before the American

1356
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:21,599
people uh with a minimum of political uh

1357
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:24,059
political politicalization and confirm

1358
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:26,579
the ET presence that's what's going on

1359
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:30,780
and so the past needs to be deferred but

1360
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:32,700
as I said you divide things up into

1361
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,740
three things the predisclosure world the

1362
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:36,420
disclosure event the post-disclosure

1363
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:38,040
world there are things that could be

1364
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:40,140
dealt with in the post-disclosure world

1365
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:43,980
we can't get to yet now perfect example

1366
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:46,380
is a contact issue the contact issue is

1367
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,640
not going to be in front of the

1368
00:54:53,049 --> 00:54:50,160
committee hearings as we move towards

1369
00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:53,059
disclosure from the president but

1370
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:54,900
post-disclosure

1371
00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:57,780
when this thing is now accepted back by

1372
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,059
everyone the academics God bless them

1373
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:02,400
the journalists the politicians the

1374
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,980
general public it's a fact it's a given

1375
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:06,480
now

1376
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:09,660
let's look at the past let's see what

1377
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:12,300
went on there let's acknowledge the

1378
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:14,520
heroes and the people that carry the

1379
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:16,680
water let's talk about what went wrong

1380
00:55:20,349 --> 00:55:18,180
let's talk about how it could have been

1381
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:20,359
differently let's

1382
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:24,780
resolve what needs to be resolved yes

1383
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:28,319
the past is going to get vetted 50

1384
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:30,119
000 books have been written about the

1385
00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:33,240
Civil War almost all of them have been

1386
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:36,119
written after the Civil War ended right

1387
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:40,020
you know so yeah thousands if not

1388
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,880
hundreds of thousands of books are going

1389
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:44,160
to be written about the truth embargo

1390
00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:47,220
this 76 year history the end of the

1391
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:51,000
Embargo the disclosure process and of

1392
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:52,740
course the post-disclosure world

1393
00:55:57,890 --> 00:55:55,740
certainly the first few years uh I won't

1394
00:56:00,770 --> 00:55:57,900
be around to read those books but I know

1395
00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:00,780
they're coming and so again it is I'm

1396
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:03,000
simply telling people look

1397
00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:05,940
relax understand there's something going

1398
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:07,740
on okay

1399
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:10,020
we can get it done but if you're going

1400
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:13,260
to try to get the entire 70 previous 74

1401
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,020
years through that same door

1402
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,480
no you can't get it through that door

1403
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,920
not yet you have to have a little

1404
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:21,660
patience here

1405
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:24,900
it's it's wonderful to hear I I I I I

1406
00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:28,260
think your your framing your context is

1407
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:30,540
really key here you know one thing you

1408
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,760
know I see people commenting in the chat

1409
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,280
about uh when are we starting up here

1410
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:37,140
what's going on here one thing to

1411
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:38,940
mention is that it was part of the

1412
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:41,220
schedule from the get-go that the closed

1413
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:42,839
door hearing was actually going to

1414
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,079
happen before the open door hearing now

1415
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,720
that's unlike what happened last time

1416
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:51,540
with the with the house Congressional

1417
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,420
case our house Congressional uh hearing

1418
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,680
last year

1419
00:56:59,210 --> 00:56:57,839
um we kept hearing you know questions

1420
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:59,220
and answers that were like okay let's

1421
00:57:02,569 --> 00:57:01,319
put that off we'll save that for the

1422
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:02,579
closed door we'll save that for the

1423
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:05,640
closed door now in this situation you

1424
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:07,020
know with this particular group of

1425
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:08,940
people you know we have other prominent

1426
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:10,740
Senators that are going to be going up

1427
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:15,000
into the into the open hearing now what

1428
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,180
do we think might be happening uh in

1429
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:21,119
this closed door hearing that why would

1430
00:57:24,290 --> 00:57:22,800
they why would they put the cart before

1431
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:24,300
the horse and wanting to hear the

1432
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:27,720
confidential before the open hearing and

1433
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,640
is there anything that you know with

1434
00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:31,619
these group of professional people who

1435
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,300
are used to hearing Secrets all the time

1436
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:35,520
is there anything that we can gain in

1437
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,500
this open hearing that might give us

1438
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:39,119
context for what might have happened in

1439
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:40,619
the closed door hearing

1440
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:42,780
well that's very very important question

1441
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:44,339
you just asked look

1442
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:47,160
um the the fact that they're holding and

1443
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:49,140
assuming that is the case I mean I I

1444
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,420
don't I haven't had that sent to me but

1445
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,760
whatever I'm assuming it's true the fact

1446
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:55,680
that they're holding a closed hearing

1447
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:58,680
before this is a sign of how important

1448
00:58:01,849 --> 00:58:00,119
it is

1449
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:01,859
the hearing with Moultrie and Bray

1450
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:03,480
wasn't that big a deal

1451
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:07,440
right Carson was kind of acting

1452
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:11,339
Andrew Carson who's a is a fine member

1453
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,800
of Congress I think this was a case

1454
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:16,319
where uh

1455
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:20,520
the the house the committee chairs and

1456
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:22,020
subcommittee chairs were watching all

1457
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:24,180
this stuff happening in the Senate and

1458
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:25,740
they were going well you know we're not

1459
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,960
potted plants down here all right the

1460
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,240
house is kind of important too why

1461
00:58:36,049 --> 00:58:33,000
aren't we involved with this right and

1462
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,059
so he I think made a decision hey I'm

1463
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,640
gonna I I'm a committee chair and I can

1464
00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:40,500
hold a hearing and I can ask for

1465
00:58:45,289 --> 00:58:42,299
Moultrie and Bray to come in all right

1466
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:45,299
so it was how would you say a little

1467
00:58:52,730 --> 00:58:48,660
more like that and so and he was able to

1468
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,740
do that but under the circumstances a a

1469
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:55,200
pre pre you can close the door thing was

1470
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:57,180
not in play and one of the reasons we

1471
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:58,680
know wasn't in play is I think if they

1472
00:59:02,510 --> 00:59:00,660
had a closed door hearing and and worked

1473
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:02,520
out all the parameters in advance I

1474
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,619
don't think Gallagher would have made

1475
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,000
that move and brought in the Wilson

1476
00:59:12,049 --> 00:59:08,400
Davis notes and the uh the nuclear

1477
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,059
weapons tampering but that was then

1478
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:13,680
two years later

1479
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:17,400
the matter is far more serious arrow is

1480
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,280
being set up uh there has been a lot

1481
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:23,040
that has happened and so

1482
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:25,559
the closed door hearing ahead of this is

1483
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,799
a sign of how much more serious this is

1484
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:30,720
and how much more serious they're taking

1485
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:33,660
it meaning look let's find out what

1486
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:36,319
we're going to discuss let's get our our

1487
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:41,160
ducks in a row uh let's make sure that

1488
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:45,000
uh we don't get off into the woods uh

1489
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:47,400
and so forth uh in other words let's

1490
00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:52,260
maximize the the hearing and and and

1491
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:56,700
let's do it right okay now that's that's

1492
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,480
a good sign all right uh again let me

1493
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:03,119
get first example they know that that

1494
01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:04,680
some of the nuclear Witnesses have been

1495
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:07,859
interviewed by Arrow all right and they

1496
01:00:13,549 --> 01:00:09,480
probably would like to talk with Sean

1497
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:13,559
ahead of time about Sean look uh it's

1498
01:00:18,049 --> 01:00:15,480
probably not it's not appropriate that

1499
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:18,059
we go there uh these hearings are

1500
01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:20,700
preliminary to to Congressional hearings

1501
01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:23,099
and so we're not going to ask you about

1502
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:24,839
that

1503
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:29,579
we'll do whatever in other words just

1504
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:32,280
kind of getting on the same page is this

1505
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:34,680
is this public relations a little bit

1506
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:37,680
but it's also about making the progress

1507
01:00:41,690 --> 01:00:39,780
the process work

1508
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:41,700
not doing stuff that's going to create

1509
01:00:46,609 --> 01:00:44,760
political blowback or other issues it's

1510
01:00:50,410 --> 01:00:46,619
about doing it right and it's perfectly

1511
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,420
legal all right so now does that mean

1512
01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:53,040
that a member of one one of the members

1513
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:54,540
of the committee

1514
01:01:01,549 --> 01:00:57,780
having gone through the pre uh uh the

1515
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:01,559
the private uh hearing ahead of time

1516
01:01:06,890 --> 01:01:05,520
decides well no not asking this I'm

1517
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:06,900
going to ask about this that's what I'm

1518
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:09,420
going to do and they can do it all right

1519
01:01:14,690 --> 01:01:12,780
and if they do they do right but all I

1520
01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:14,700
can take away is this it's not it's not

1521
01:01:21,049 --> 01:01:18,059
an effort to somehow uh manipulate it

1522
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:21,059
but rather to do it right and to make

1523
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,799
sure they're not violating any any

1524
01:01:28,849 --> 01:01:25,920
understandings agreements ndas whatever

1525
01:01:31,849 --> 01:01:28,859
uh so this is a serious hearing and that

1526
01:01:33,770 --> 01:01:31,859
is an indication that it is serious and

1527
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:33,780
understand there have been a whole bunch

1528
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:34,740
of

1529
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:38,940
private uh non-public briefings

1530
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:41,520
over the last four years more than we

1531
01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:45,660
know uh the number of actual events and

1532
01:01:48,109 --> 01:01:46,740
the number of people that have actually

1533
01:01:50,450 --> 01:01:48,119
heard something in the number of times

1534
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:50,460
is is large

1535
01:01:55,849 --> 01:01:53,640
why because this thing is that big all

1536
01:01:57,710 --> 01:01:55,859
right it's that big but it's unlike most

1537
01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:57,720
any other issue that they've ever dealt

1538
01:02:03,289 --> 01:01:59,400
with in their careers

1539
01:02:06,289 --> 01:02:03,299
it's huge but it is it is on the back

1540
01:02:08,569 --> 01:02:06,299
end of a 75-year process in which the

1541
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,579
government said there's nothing here so

1542
01:02:13,309 --> 01:02:10,799
you see their dilemma it's like it's

1543
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:13,319
like trying to have hearings about the

1544
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,380
nuclear weapons situation meaning let's

1545
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:17,760
have a hearing and talk to the right

1546
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:20,280
people about where is that going and

1547
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:21,440
what are we going to do about

1548
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:24,960
non-proliferation uh but after a 50-year

1549
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:26,579
period in which the government had been

1550
01:02:30,109 --> 01:02:28,200
denying we don't have any nuclear

1551
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:30,119
weapons there's no nuclear weapons

1552
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:32,339
there's no there's no there's no bunkers

1553
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,780
out there with weapons what are you

1554
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:35,760
talking about you see how much more

1555
01:02:40,670 --> 01:02:37,740
Awkward that would be that's what

1556
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,680
they're dealing with all right and it's

1557
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:42,240
a problem they created for themselves

1558
01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:44,520
but to be fair most of the people

1559
01:02:50,089 --> 01:02:47,819
sitting on these committees they didn't

1560
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:50,099
they didn't they didn't create this

1561
01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:52,680
embargo they didn't found it and weren't

1562
01:02:56,089 --> 01:02:54,660
that involved in maintaining it but it's

1563
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:56,099
now their

1564
01:03:00,349 --> 01:02:58,020
thing and they're the ones that are

1565
01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:00,359
going to have to fix it

1566
01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:03,540
yeah wonderful I think they're taking so

1567
01:03:09,250 --> 01:03:05,099
long in the closed hearing probably

1568
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:11,210
what they're going to be talking about

1569
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:14,040
absolutely with that in mind let me ask

1570
01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:16,440
you Mr Bassett how do you see a

1571
01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:19,140
disclosure affecting

1572
01:03:22,370 --> 01:03:20,940
um just Mankind in general how do you

1573
01:03:24,829 --> 01:03:22,380
think things will change what's your

1574
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,839
view of the post-disclosure world so to

1575
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:26,880
speak

1576
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,920
very simple question thank you for

1577
01:03:32,829 --> 01:03:31,200
asking it I I have a two sentence

1578
01:03:35,630 --> 01:03:32,839
response to that

1579
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:35,640
did I mention that 50 000 books were

1580
01:03:43,010 --> 01:03:40,500
written about the Civil War yeah uh look

1581
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:43,020
no one knows

1582
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:44,880
how the post-disclosure world is going

1583
01:03:49,609 --> 01:03:47,400
to go and it starts the day after the

1584
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:49,619
words come out of of

1585
01:03:54,910 --> 01:03:52,680
uh President Biden's mouth unless they

1586
01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:54,920
come out of shiji Bing's mouth or

1587
01:03:59,150 --> 01:03:57,540
Vladimir Putin's mouth first but whoever

1588
01:04:02,089 --> 01:03:59,160
head of state's mouth that's when it

1589
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:02,099
begins it begins one second after that

1590
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:08,089
well I'll use an analogy that I've used

1591
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:10,680
many times if you've heard it forgive me

1592
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:13,440
but I really like it

1593
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:14,819
it's

1594
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:20,280
the opposite of the Newtonian version of

1595
01:04:25,549 --> 01:04:22,920
dropping a pebble into a perfectly Still

1596
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:25,559
Pond we've seen that in slow motion

1597
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:27,180
right it's very cool so you see the

1598
01:04:31,970 --> 01:04:29,700
thing coming down in slow motion and it

1599
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:31,980
hits the pawn and these waves

1600
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,900
immediately start emanating in all

1601
01:04:37,549 --> 01:04:35,520
directions and they start spreading out

1602
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,559
in this wonderful pattern and they go

1603
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:39,599
off in the distance and eventually they

1604
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,940
dissipate very cool

1605
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:43,920
the post-disclosure world is going to be

1606
01:04:49,609 --> 01:04:46,559
the exact opposite of that physically

1607
01:04:51,370 --> 01:04:49,619
impossible but the metaphor stands up

1608
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,380
what do I mean

1609
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:54,000
disclosure will be less fairly large

1610
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:57,960
Pebble being dropped into the calm

1611
01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:01,740
ocean that is human civilization I joke

1612
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:04,140
but whatever and we'll watch it in slow

1613
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:07,680
motion and it hits that ocean that ocean

1614
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:09,240
of civilization

1615
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,119
but it doesn't generate big waves that

1616
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:14,160
go off in all Direction and dissipate

1617
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:17,220
oddly enough and against the you know

1618
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:20,760
physics it generates small waves

1619
01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:23,520
just little ways to start moving out and

1620
01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:25,980
as they we watch them spread further and

1621
01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:28,020
further from the event they get bigger

1622
01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:31,859
and bigger and bigger and bigger like

1623
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:34,380
tsunamis that when they finally arrive

1624
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:36,900
at the coast and things get shallow they

1625
01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:38,940
rise up and they kill everybody but

1626
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:40,680
that's that's not what's going to happen

1627
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:43,920
so what am I saying I'm saying that the

1628
01:05:48,170 --> 01:05:46,619
day after disclosure not much is going

1629
01:05:50,450 --> 01:05:48,180
to change

1630
01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:50,460
99 of all the people in the world's

1631
01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:53,160
lives maybe 99.9 will be exactly the

1632
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:55,020
same they will have to do exactly the

1633
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,579
same their problems will be the same

1634
01:06:00,589 --> 01:05:58,799
their their Joys their expectations

1635
01:06:01,549 --> 01:06:00,599
whatever they're going to have to deal

1636
01:06:03,530 --> 01:06:01,559
with it

1637
01:06:06,410 --> 01:06:03,540
maybe they'll get a day off I don't know

1638
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:06,420
but mostly it's exactly the same but

1639
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:07,680
then

1640
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:11,700
as that Paradigm Shift starts to

1641
01:06:16,970 --> 01:06:14,480
gel in the minds of eight billion people

1642
01:06:19,069 --> 01:06:16,980
including people that run things and

1643
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:19,079
have a lot of power and influences it

1644
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,000
starts to kind of work its way into

1645
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:23,520
their brain and starts to alter the way

1646
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:26,220
they think and of course as we start to

1647
01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:30,000
consider uh the issues of technology and

1648
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:31,559
what does the government know and when

1649
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:35,520
is that coming out and and so forth it's

1650
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:38,460
going to start changing the world in

1651
01:06:45,049 --> 01:06:41,160
bigger and bigger ways over the passage

1652
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:45,059
of time so that 10 to 15 years after the

1653
01:06:50,569 --> 01:06:47,460
disclosure event the world is going to

1654
01:06:52,250 --> 01:06:50,579
be profoundly different

1655
01:06:55,250 --> 01:06:52,260
profoundly different

1656
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:55,260
so we could spend days and months trying

1657
01:07:06,190 --> 01:06:59,520
to itemize each little change right okay

1658
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,270
and for his long and distinguished

1659
01:07:11,329 --> 01:07:09,839
career both in the intelligence

1660
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,339
community and in the Department of

1661
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:13,920
Defense Dr Kirkpatrick is the director

1662
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:15,780
of the all domain anomaly resolution

1663
01:07:20,809 --> 01:07:18,660
office or Arrow Congress established

1664
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:20,819
this office in law to get to the bottom

1665
01:07:24,650 --> 01:07:22,079
of the very serious problem of

1666
01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:24,660
unidentified anomalous phenomenon or UAP

1667
01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:27,240
Dr Kirkpatrick has a very difficult

1668
01:07:31,309 --> 01:07:29,400
Mission while we have made progress

1669
01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:31,319
there remains a stigma attached to these

1670
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:33,480
phenomenon there is a vast and complex

1671
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,059
citizen engagement and there's also very

1672
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:37,920
challenging scientific and Technical

1673
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,140
hurdles so we appreciate the willingness

1674
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,720
of Dr Kirkpatrick to lean in on this

1675
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:44,400
issue and the work that he has

1676
01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:46,260
accomplished thus far and we look

1677
01:07:50,270 --> 01:07:48,059
forward to both his opening statement

1678
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:50,280
and his presentation of examples of the

1679
01:07:55,549 --> 01:07:53,579
work Arrow has done in late 2017 media

1680
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:55,559
reports surfaced about activity set in

1681
01:07:59,690 --> 01:07:57,480
motion by the late long-serving Majority

1682
01:08:01,609 --> 01:07:59,700
Leader Senator Harry Reid more than a

1683
01:08:03,230 --> 01:08:01,619
decade ago we learned that there was

1684
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:03,240
strong evidence advanced technology

1685
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:04,680
reflected in the features and

1686
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:06,059
performance characteristics of many

1687
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,760
objects observed by our highly trained

1688
01:08:12,829 --> 01:08:10,799
service members operating top of the

1689
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:12,839
line military equipment

1690
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:15,180
we learned that for the at least the

1691
01:08:18,829 --> 01:08:16,980
past eight years military Pilots

1692
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:18,839
frequently encountered unknown objects

1693
01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:21,000
in controlled airspace off both the east

1694
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:22,859
and west coast across the continental

1695
01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:25,080
United States in test and training areas

1696
01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:27,900
and ranges we don't know where they are

1697
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,819
they come from who made them or how they

1698
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,920
operate as former deputy secretary of

1699
01:08:35,809 --> 01:08:34,319
defense David norquist observed had any

1700
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,819
of these objects had the label made in

1701
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:37,920
China there would be an uproar in the

1702
01:08:41,570 --> 01:08:39,660
government and media there would be no

1703
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:41,580
stone unturned and no efforts spared to

1704
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:43,500
find out what we were dealing with we

1705
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:45,000
can look at the recent incursion of the

1706
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:47,100
unidentified PRC high altitude balloon

1707
01:08:50,749 --> 01:08:48,719
for as an example

1708
01:08:52,510 --> 01:08:50,759
because and but because of the UFO

1709
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,520
stigma the response has been

1710
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:55,440
irresponsibly anemic and slow Congress

1711
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,480
established Arrow we made it clear that

1712
01:09:01,309 --> 01:08:59,759
we expect vigorous action we added very

1713
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:01,319
substantial initial funding for the

1714
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:03,839
office but despite our best efforts the

1715
01:09:08,269 --> 01:09:05,940
president's budget for fiskeos 23 and 24

1716
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:08,279
requested only enough funding to defray

1717
01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:10,440
the operating expenses of Arrow it

1718
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:12,359
included almost no funds to sustain the

1719
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,500
critical research and development

1720
01:09:16,729 --> 01:09:14,880
necessary to support a serious

1721
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:16,739
investigation it took a letter to

1722
01:09:20,689 --> 01:09:18,600
secretary Austin from Senator Rubio and

1723
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:20,699
me and 14 other Senators to get the

1724
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:22,380
office temporary relief for the current

1725
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:24,660
fiscal year in this hearing I tend to

1726
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:27,299
probe a series of specific issues in the

1727
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:28,980
recent incidents where multiple objects

1728
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:30,900
were shot down over North America it

1729
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,460
seemed that Pentagon leadership did not

1730
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,799
turn to Aero office to play a leading

1731
01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:36,719
role in advising the combatant commander

1732
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,100
we need to know whether this will

1733
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,600
continue we need to know whether the

1734
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:41,520
leadership in DOD will bring Arrow into

1735
01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:43,140
the decision-making process in a visible

1736
01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:45,239
way and we need to know what role Arrow

1737
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:46,859
will play in interagency coordination

1738
01:09:51,890 --> 01:09:50,100
after the NSC working group just fans in

1739
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,900
the fiscal year 2023 National Defense

1740
01:09:55,729 --> 01:09:53,520
and intelligence authorization acts

1741
01:09:57,470 --> 01:09:55,739
Congress established a direct reporting

1742
01:09:59,630 --> 01:09:57,480
chain from the arrow director to the

1743
01:10:01,070 --> 01:09:59,640
deputy secretary of defense the role of

1744
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,080
the office of the under secretary of

1745
01:10:04,729 --> 01:10:02,880
defense for intelligence and security is

1746
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,739
limited to providing administrative

1747
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,719
support we need to know how this

1748
01:10:11,150 --> 01:10:08,640
direction is being implemented

1749
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:11,160
uapf frequently observed flying in

1750
01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:13,320
extremely high or very low speeds and

1751
01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:15,060
come in various sizes and shapes during

1752
01:10:20,030 --> 01:10:16,679
the recent shootdowns over North America

1753
01:10:21,649 --> 01:10:20,040
DOD disclosed that filters on radar

1754
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,659
systems were adjusted to allow for

1755
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:23,280
detection and tracking of diverse sets

1756
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:25,199
of objects for the first time while

1757
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:27,120
opening the aperture can overload the

1758
01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:29,460
real-time analytic process we cannot

1759
01:10:32,689 --> 01:10:31,140
keep turning a blind eye to surveillance

1760
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:32,699
data that is critical to detecting

1761
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:34,920
attracting UAP we need to know whether

1762
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,360
Dr Kirkpatrick could achieve the

1763
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,159
necessary control over sensor filters

1764
01:10:42,649 --> 01:10:40,560
and the storage and access to Raw

1765
01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:42,659
surveillance data to find UAP anomalies

1766
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:44,760
finally one of the tasks Congress set

1767
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:46,860
for Arrow is serving as an open door for

1768
01:10:51,770 --> 01:10:49,440
Witnesses of UAP events or participants

1769
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,780
in government activities related to uaps

1770
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:53,760
to come forward securely and disclose

1771
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,260
what they know without fear of

1772
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:57,600
Retribution for any possible violations

1773
01:11:01,790 --> 01:10:59,460
of previously signed non-disclosure

1774
01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:01,800
agreements Congress mandated that arrow

1775
01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:03,900
set up a publicly discoverable and

1776
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,820
accessible process for safe disclosure

1777
01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:07,679
while we know that Arrow has already

1778
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:09,480
conducted a significant a number of

1779
01:11:13,729 --> 01:11:11,940
interviews many referred by Congress we

1780
01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:13,739
need to set up a public process that

1781
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,780
that and we need to know where that

1782
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:17,520
effort stands with that I'd like to turn

1783
01:11:20,930 --> 01:11:18,840
to Senator Ernst for her opening

1784
01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:20,940
statement thank you madam chair and

1785
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:22,860
thank you Dr Kirkpatrick for your

1786
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:25,679
testimony today I'll keep these remarks

1787
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,140
very brief so that we have maximum time

1788
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,719
for your briefing the recent Downing of

1789
01:11:34,189 --> 01:11:32,640
the Chinese surveillance surveillance

1790
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,199
balloon and three other objects

1791
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,480
underscores the need for domain

1792
01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:39,360
awareness adversaries like China and

1793
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:41,640
Russia are working to hold U.S interests

1794
01:11:47,689 --> 01:11:44,640
including our homeland at risk that's

1795
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:47,699
why your testimony is so important and I

1796
01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:49,800
so look forward to a progress update on

1797
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:52,260
the establishment of your office as

1798
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,000
members know your office evolved from

1799
01:11:58,850 --> 01:11:55,920
the navy-led unidentified aerial

1800
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:58,860
phenomena task force to the all-domain

1801
01:12:04,189 --> 01:12:01,320
anomalous resolution office known as

1802
01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:04,199
Arrow Dr Kirkpatrick your extensive

1803
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:06,980
background in science and technology

1804
01:12:12,410 --> 01:12:09,840
research and development and and space

1805
01:12:15,169 --> 01:12:12,420
makes you well suited to discuss these

1806
01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:15,179
emerging challenges my priority is that

1807
01:12:21,169 --> 01:12:17,820
we understand the full range of threats

1808
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:21,179
posed by our adversaries in all domains

1809
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:23,460
that is what the Joint Force needs to be

1810
01:12:28,610 --> 01:12:26,159
prepared to fight and win in defense of

1811
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:28,620
our nation this committee needs to know

1812
01:12:33,169 --> 01:12:30,540
about Chinese or Russian advanced

1813
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,179
technology programs to exploit our

1814
01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:35,280
vulnerabilities and it needs to know

1815
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:37,860
whether your office along with the IC

1816
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:40,199
has detected potential Chinese or

1817
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:42,780
Russian capabilities to surveil or

1818
01:12:48,189 --> 01:12:45,420
attack us finally we need to ensure

1819
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:48,199
efficient interagency coordination

1820
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:51,960
multiple elements of the dod and IC own

1821
01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:55,380
a piece of this mission to add value

1822
01:13:00,770 --> 01:12:58,380
arrows efforts cannot be redundant with

1823
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:00,780
others thank you again we look forward

1824
01:13:05,450 --> 01:13:03,360
to your testimony

1825
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:05,460
Dr Kirkpatrick you can give your

1826
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,560
testimony

1827
01:13:12,050 --> 01:13:10,080
thank you chairwoman Jewel brand ranking

1828
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:12,060
member Ernst distinguished members of

1829
01:13:15,229 --> 01:13:13,620
the subcommittee

1830
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:15,239
it's a privilege to be here today to

1831
01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:18,000
testify on the defense defense's efforts

1832
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:19,860
to address unidentified anomalous

1833
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,940
phenomena

1834
01:13:24,770 --> 01:13:22,800
first I want to thank Congress for its

1835
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,780
extensive and continued partnership as

1836
01:13:28,729 --> 01:13:26,159
the department works to better

1837
01:13:30,350 --> 01:13:28,739
understand and respond to UAP in an

1838
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:30,360
effort to minimize Technical and

1839
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:31,920
intelligence surprise

1840
01:13:36,590 --> 01:13:34,620
unidentified objects in any domain pose

1841
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:36,600
potential risks to Safety and Security

1842
01:13:40,669 --> 01:13:39,420
particularly from military personnel and

1843
01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:40,679
capabilities

1844
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:43,500
Congress and DOD agree that UAP cannot

1845
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:46,440
remain unexamined or unaddressed

1846
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:48,300
we are grateful for sustained

1847
01:13:52,130 --> 01:13:50,040
Congressional engagement on this issue

1848
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:52,140
which paved the way for the dod's

1849
01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:54,060
establishment of the all-domain anomaly

1850
01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:56,940
resolution office in July of last year

1851
01:14:02,330 --> 01:13:59,640
though arrow is still a young office the

1852
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:02,340
spotlight on UAP in recent months

1853
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:04,199
underscores the importance of its work

1854
01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:06,840
and the need for UAP to be taken

1855
01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:08,460
seriously as a matter of National

1856
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,780
Security

1857
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,520
all leadership that I've had the

1858
01:14:17,570 --> 01:14:14,400
pleasure of working with whether DOD IC

1859
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,580
doe civil scientific or industrial view

1860
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:19,440
Congress as a critical partner in this

1861
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:20,880
endeavor

1862
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:23,460
Arrow has accomplished much in the last

1863
01:14:27,530 --> 01:14:25,560
nine months since it was established the

1864
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:27,540
Aero team of more than three dozen

1865
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:29,940
experts is organized around four

1866
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,580
functional areas operations scientific

1867
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,800
research integrated analysis and

1868
01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:36,719
strategic Communications

1869
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:38,580
in the nine months since era's

1870
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:40,260
establishment we've taken important

1871
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,920
steps to involve and improve UAP data

1872
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,080
collection standardize the Department's

1873
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,960
UAP internal reporting requirements and

1874
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,640
Implement a framework for rigorous

1875
01:14:55,850 --> 01:14:53,520
scientific and intelligence analysis

1876
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:55,860
allowing us to resolve cases in a

1877
01:15:00,830 --> 01:14:58,440
systematic and prioritized manner

1878
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,840
meanwhile consistent with legislative

1879
01:15:05,330 --> 01:15:02,880
direction arrow is also carefully

1880
01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:05,340
reviewing and researching the U.S

1881
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:07,320
government's UAP related historical

1882
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:08,699
record

1883
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:10,980
arrow is leading a focused effort to

1884
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,420
better characterize understand and

1885
01:15:16,610 --> 01:15:14,159
attribute UAP

1886
01:15:20,090 --> 01:15:16,620
with priority given to UAP reports by

1887
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:20,100
DOD and IC Personnel in or near areas of

1888
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:22,020
National Security importance

1889
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,780
DOD fully appreciates the eagerness from

1890
01:15:27,890 --> 01:15:25,679
many

1891
01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:27,900
quarters especially here in Congress and

1892
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:29,400
in the American public to quickly

1893
01:15:34,010 --> 01:15:32,040
resolve every UAP encountered across the

1894
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globe from the distant pass through

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today it's important to note however

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arrow is the culmination of Decades of

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01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:42,060
DOD intelligence community and

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01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:43,800
congressionally directed efforts to

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01:15:48,050 --> 01:15:46,080
successfully resolve UAP encountered

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first and foremost by U.S military

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01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:50,760
personnel specifically Navy and Air

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01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:52,140
Force pilots

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01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:54,540
the law establishing arrow is ambitious

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01:15:59,630 --> 01:15:56,820
and it will take time to realize the

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01:16:03,050 --> 01:15:59,640
full mission we cannot answer Decades of

1906
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,060
questions about UAP all at once but we

1907
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,520
must begin somewhere while I assure you

1908
01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:07,199
that Arrow will follow scientific

1909
01:16:12,350 --> 01:16:09,780
evidence wherever it leads I ask for

1910
01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:12,360
your patience as DOD first prioritizes

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01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:13,980
Safety and Security of our military

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01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:16,260
personnel and installations in all

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01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:17,520
domains

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01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:20,159
after all a UAP encountered first by

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01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:22,500
highly capable DOD and IC platforms

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01:16:27,649 --> 01:16:24,780
featuring the nation's most advanced

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01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:27,659
sensors are those UAP most likely to be

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01:16:31,490 --> 01:16:30,239
resolved by my office assuming the data

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01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,500
can be collected

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01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,080
if Arrow succeeds in first improving the

1921
01:16:38,450 --> 01:16:36,239
ability of military personnel to quickly

1922
01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:38,460
and confidently resolve UAP they

1923
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,920
encounter I believe that in time we will

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01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:42,960
have greatly Advanced the capability of

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01:16:46,370 --> 01:16:44,280
the entire United States government

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01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:46,380
including its civilian agencies to

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01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:47,940
resolve UAP

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01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:50,460
however it would be naive to believe

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01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,219
that the resolution of all UAP can be

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01:16:57,649 --> 01:16:55,440
solely accomplished by the dod and IC

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01:16:59,570 --> 01:16:57,659
alone we will need to prioritize

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collection and leverage authorities for

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01:17:03,050 --> 01:17:01,320
monitoring all domains within the

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01:17:05,149 --> 01:17:03,060
continental United States

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01:17:06,910 --> 01:17:05,159
Arrow's ultimate success will require

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01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:06,920
Partnerships with the interagency

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01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,600
industry Partners Academia and the

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01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:11,280
scientific Community as well as the

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01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,179
public

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01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:13,920
Aero is partnering with the services

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01:17:17,810 --> 01:17:16,260
intelligence Community doe as well as

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01:17:20,090 --> 01:17:17,820
civil partners and across the U.S

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01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:20,100
government to tap into the resources of

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01:17:24,649 --> 01:17:22,020
the interagency

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01:17:27,229 --> 01:17:24,659
the UAP challenge is more an operational

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01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:27,239
and scientific issue than it is an

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01:17:31,070 --> 01:17:28,800
intelligence issue

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01:17:32,990 --> 01:17:31,080
as such we are working with industry

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01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,000
Academia and the scientific Community

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01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:35,280
which bring their own resources ideas

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01:17:39,410 --> 01:17:37,800
and expertise to this challenging

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01:17:41,630 --> 01:17:39,420
problem set

1953
01:17:43,729 --> 01:17:41,640
robust collaboration and peer review

1954
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:43,739
across a broad range of Partners will

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01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:45,480
promote greater objectivity and

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01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:48,540
transparency in the study of UAP

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01:17:53,390 --> 01:17:51,000
I want to underscore today that only a

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01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:53,400
very small percentage of UAP reports

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01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:55,260
displays signatures that could

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01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:57,480
reasonably be described as anomalists

1961
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,000
the majority of unidentified objects

1962
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:02,880
reported to Arrow demonstrate mundane

1963
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,340
characteristics of balloons unmanned

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01:18:10,490 --> 01:18:07,679
aerial systems clutter natural phenomena

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01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,500
other readily explainable sources

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01:18:15,229 --> 01:18:12,719
while a large number of cases in our

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01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:15,239
Holdings remain technically unresolved

1968
01:18:20,450 --> 01:18:18,120
this is primarily due to a lack of data

1969
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:20,460
associated with those cases without

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01:18:24,590 --> 01:18:22,679
sufficient data we are unable to reach

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01:18:27,229 --> 01:18:24,600
defendable conclusions

1972
01:18:29,450 --> 01:18:27,239
that meet the high scientific standards

1973
01:18:31,490 --> 01:18:29,460
we set for resolution and I will not

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01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:31,500
close a case that I cannot defend the

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01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:33,060
conclusions of

1976
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:34,980
I recognize that this answer is

1977
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:37,260
unsatisfying to those who in good faith

1978
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:39,060
assume that what they see with their

1979
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:40,860
eyes with their cameras and what their

1980
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:43,140
Radars is incontrovertible evidence of

1981
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:44,880
extraordinary characteristics and

1982
01:18:47,689 --> 01:18:45,960
performance

1983
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,699
yet time and again with sufficient

1984
01:18:53,630 --> 01:18:49,920
scientific quality data it is fact that

1985
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:53,640
UAP often but not always resolve into

1986
01:18:58,250 --> 01:18:56,159
readily explainable sources

1987
01:19:00,169 --> 01:18:58,260
humans are subject to deception and

1988
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,179
Illusions sensors to unexpected

1989
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,640
responses and malfunctions and in some

1990
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:05,040
cases intentional interference

1991
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:07,080
getting to the handful of cases that

1992
01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:08,820
pass this level of scrutiny is the

1993
01:19:12,590 --> 01:19:10,260
mission of era

1994
01:19:14,570 --> 01:19:12,600
that is not to say that UAP once

1995
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:14,580
resolved they're no longer of National

1996
01:19:19,130 --> 01:19:16,800
Security interest however on the

1997
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,140
contrary learning that a UAP isn't of

1998
01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:21,360
exotic origin but is instead just a

1999
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:24,060
quadcopter or balloon leads to the

2000
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:25,560
question of who is operating that

2001
01:19:30,169 --> 01:19:28,320
quadcopter into what purpose

2002
01:19:32,270 --> 01:19:30,179
the answers to those questions will

2003
01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:32,280
inform potential National Security or

2004
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,679
law enforcement responses

2005
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:36,480
arrow is a member of the Department's

2006
01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:38,100
support to the administration's tiger

2007
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:40,199
team effort to deal with stratospheric

2008
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:42,360
objects such as the PRC high altitude

2009
01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:43,679
balloon

2010
01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:46,860
well when previously unknown objects are

2011
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:49,560
successfully identified it is Arrow's

2012
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:51,840
role to quickly and efficiently hand off

2013
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,540
such readily explainable objects to the

2014
01:19:58,250 --> 01:19:56,400
intelligence law enforcement or

2015
01:20:01,250 --> 01:19:58,260
operational safety communities for

2016
01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:01,260
further analysis and appropriate action

2017
01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:03,420
in other words Arrow's mission is to

2018
01:20:08,689 --> 01:20:06,600
turn UAP into SCP somebody else's

2019
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:08,699
problem

2020
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,400
the U.S government the dod and the IC in

2021
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,199
particular has tremendous capabilities

2022
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:15,360
to deal with those encountered objects

2023
01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:18,719
in the wake of the PRC Hab event the

2024
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:20,280
interagency is working to better

2025
01:20:23,050 --> 01:20:22,260
integrate and share information to

2026
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:23,060
address

2027
01:20:28,610 --> 01:20:26,159
identifiable stratospheric objects but

2028
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,620
that is not all arrows Lane

2029
01:20:34,189 --> 01:20:30,960
meanwhile for the few cases in all

2030
01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:34,199
domains space air and sea that do

2031
01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:35,699
demonstrate potentially anomalous

2032
01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:37,860
characteristics Arrow exists to help the

2033
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,739
dod IC and interagency resolve those

2034
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:42,239
anomalous cases

2035
01:20:46,189 --> 01:20:44,760
in doing so arrow is approaching these

2036
01:20:49,130 --> 01:20:46,199
cases with the highest level of

2037
01:20:50,810 --> 01:20:49,140
objectivity and analytic rigor this

2038
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,820
includes physically testing and

2039
01:20:55,070 --> 01:20:52,320
employing modeling and simulation

2040
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:55,080
validate our analyzes and underlying

2041
01:20:58,450 --> 01:20:56,880
theories then peer-reviewing those

2042
01:21:00,649 --> 01:20:58,460
results within the US government

2043
01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:00,659
industry partners and appropriately

2044
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:02,760
cleared academic institutions before

2045
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:04,980
reaching any conclusions

2046
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,900
I should also State clearly for the

2047
01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:09,120
record that in our research Arrow has

2048
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,580
found no credible evidence thus far of

2049
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:13,679
extraterrestrial activity off-world

2050
01:21:17,930 --> 01:21:16,380
technology or objects that defy the

2051
01:21:20,450 --> 01:21:17,940
known laws of physics

2052
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:20,460
in the event sufficient scientific data

2053
01:21:24,890 --> 01:21:22,860
were ever obtained that a UAP

2054
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:24,900
encountered can only be explained by

2055
01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:27,300
extraterrestrial origin we are committed

2056
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:29,219
to working with our interagency partners

2057
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:31,920
at Nasa to appropriately inform U.S

2058
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,380
government's leadership of its findings

2059
01:21:38,689 --> 01:21:36,960
for those few cases that have leaked to

2060
01:21:41,149 --> 01:21:38,699
the public previously and subsequently

2061
01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:41,159
commented on by the U.S government I

2062
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:42,840
encourage those who hold alternative

2063
01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:44,580
theories or views to submit your

2064
01:21:48,890 --> 01:21:46,679
research to Credible peer-reviewed

2065
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:48,900
scientific journals arrow is working

2066
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,600
very hard to do the same that is how

2067
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:54,000
science works not by blog or social

2068
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,020
media

2069
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,120
we know that there is tremendous public

2070
01:22:02,990 --> 01:21:59,760
interest in UAP and a desire for answers

2071
01:22:05,630 --> 01:22:03,000
from Arrow by its very nature the UAP

2072
01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:05,640
challenge has for decades lent itself to

2073
01:22:11,209 --> 01:22:08,100
mystery sensationalism and even

2074
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,219
conspiracy for that reason Arrow remains

2075
01:22:15,709 --> 01:22:13,679
committed to transparency accountability

2076
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:15,719
and to sharing as much with the American

2077
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:18,480
public as we can consistent with Our

2078
01:22:23,209 --> 01:22:20,580
obligation to protect and not only

2079
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:23,219
intelligence sources and methods but U.S

2080
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:25,380
and Allied capabilities

2081
01:22:30,590 --> 01:22:28,260
however Arrow's work will take time if

2082
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:30,600
we are committed to do it right it means

2083
01:22:34,189 --> 01:22:32,820
adhering to the scientific method and

2084
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,199
the highest standards of research

2085
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:37,199
Integrity it means being methodical and

2086
01:22:41,810 --> 01:22:39,420
scrupulous it means withholding judgment

2087
01:22:43,970 --> 01:22:41,820
in favor of evidence it means following

2088
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:43,980
the data where it leads wherever it

2089
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,500
leads it means establishing scientific

2090
01:22:50,270 --> 01:22:48,540
peer-reviewed theoretical underpinnings

2091
01:22:52,669 --> 01:22:50,280
of observed data

2092
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:52,679
an arrow is committed to all of those

2093
01:22:55,729 --> 01:22:53,820
standards

2094
01:22:58,610 --> 01:22:55,739
I'm proud of Arrow's progress over the

2095
01:23:01,010 --> 01:22:58,620
last nine months months much remains to

2096
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,020
be done but the hard work is underway

2097
01:23:05,149 --> 01:23:03,360
thank you for your continued support and

2098
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:05,159
before we turn to questions I'm going to

2099
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:07,260
walk you through some of our analytical

2100
01:23:13,490 --> 01:23:09,060
Trends in a couple of cases that we've

2101
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:16,729
so one of the things that Arrow does is

2102
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,340
high integrity analysis as I've said

2103
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:23,040
this chart represents

2104
01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:27,060
the trend analysis of all the cases in

2105
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:30,060
arrows Holdings right to date

2106
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:32,880
what you'll see on the left is a

2107
01:23:39,370 --> 01:23:35,640
histogram of all of our reported

2108
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:39,380
sightings as a function of altitude

2109
01:23:46,130 --> 01:23:44,880
so most of our sightings occur in the 15

2110
01:23:48,530 --> 01:23:46,140
to 25

2111
01:23:49,850 --> 01:23:48,540
000 foot range and that is ultimately

2112
01:23:52,189 --> 01:23:49,860
because that's where a lot of our

2113
01:23:55,130 --> 01:23:52,199
aircraft are

2114
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,140
on the far right upper corner you'll see

2115
01:24:01,370 --> 01:23:58,320
a breakout of the morphologies of all of

2116
01:24:04,130 --> 01:24:01,380
the UAP that are reported over half

2117
01:24:09,530 --> 01:24:04,140
about 52 percent of what's been reported

2118
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:09,540
to us are round orb spheres

2119
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:12,000
the rest of those break out into all

2120
01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:14,040
kinds of different other shapes the gray

2121
01:24:19,130 --> 01:24:15,860
box is

2122
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,140
essentially there's no data on what its

2123
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,420
shape is either it wasn't reported or

2124
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:24,000
the sensor did not collect it

2125
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:27,659
the bottom map is a heat map of all

2126
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:30,300
reporting areas across the globe that we

2127
01:24:35,630 --> 01:24:32,760
have available to us

2128
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:35,640
what you'll notice is that there is a

2129
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:38,400
heavy what we call collection bias both

2130
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:41,600
in altitude and in geographic location

2131
01:24:47,390 --> 01:24:45,360
that's where all of our sensors exist

2132
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,400
that's where our training ranges are

2133
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:49,199
that's where our operational ranges are

2134
01:24:55,610 --> 01:24:52,739
that's where all of our platforms are

2135
01:24:59,229 --> 01:24:55,620
in the middle what we have done is

2136
01:25:04,010 --> 01:24:59,239
reduce the most typically reported UAP

2137
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,020
characteristics to these fields mostly

2138
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:06,960
round mostly one to four meters white

2139
01:25:12,410 --> 01:25:09,480
silver translucent metallic

2140
01:25:14,689 --> 01:25:12,420
ten thousand thirty thousand feet

2141
01:25:17,870 --> 01:25:14,699
with apparent velocities from the

2142
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:17,880
stationary to Mach 2. no thermal

2143
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:20,580
exhausts usually detected we get

2144
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,400
intermittent radar returns we get

2145
01:25:28,910 --> 01:25:26,400
intermittent radio returns and we get

2146
01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:28,920
intermittent thermal signatures

2147
01:25:34,669 --> 01:25:31,320
that's what we're looking for and trying

2148
01:25:34,679 --> 01:25:38,390
next slide

2149
01:25:43,930 --> 01:25:40,310
so I'm going to walk you through two

2150
01:25:47,630 --> 01:25:43,940
cases that we've Declassified recently

2151
01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:47,640
this first one is an MQ-9 in the Middle

2152
01:25:54,050 --> 01:25:50,940
East observing that blow up which is an

2153
01:25:57,530 --> 01:25:54,060
apparent spherical object vo EO sensors

2154
01:26:02,090 --> 01:25:58,910
if you want to go ahead and click that

2155
01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:04,490
you'll see it come through the top of

2156
01:26:09,890 --> 01:26:06,600
the screen there it goes and then the

2157
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,900
camera will slew to follow it

2158
01:26:14,209 --> 01:26:12,000
you'll see it pop in and out of the

2159
01:26:16,729 --> 01:26:14,219
screw field of view there

2160
01:26:18,530 --> 01:26:16,739
this is essentially all of the data we

2161
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:18,540
have associated with this event from

2162
01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:23,450
it is going to be virtually impossible

2163
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,280
to fully identify that

2164
01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:28,560
just based off of that video

2165
01:26:34,490 --> 01:26:30,840
now what we can do and what we are doing

2166
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:34,500
is keeping that as part of that

2167
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:37,440
group of 52 percent

2168
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,320
to see what are the similarities what

2169
01:26:44,510 --> 01:26:42,480
are the trends across all these do we

2170
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,520
see these in a particular distribution

2171
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,280
do they all behave the same or not

2172
01:26:51,890 --> 01:26:49,920
as we get more data

2173
01:26:54,770 --> 01:26:51,900
we will be able to go back and look at

2174
01:26:57,410 --> 01:26:54,780
these in a fuller context

2175
01:26:59,629 --> 01:26:57,420
how are we going to get more data we are

2176
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,639
working with the joint staff to issue

2177
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:01,679
guidance to all the services and

2178
01:27:06,410 --> 01:27:04,800
commands that will then establish what

2179
01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:06,420
are the reporting requirements the

2180
01:27:10,729 --> 01:27:08,460
timeliness and all of the data that is

2181
01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:10,739
required to be delivered to us and

2182
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:14,760
retained from all the associated sensors

2183
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:16,860
that historically hasn't been the case

2184
01:27:21,229 --> 01:27:18,960
and it's been happenstance that data has

2185
01:27:24,169 --> 01:27:21,239
been collected

2186
01:27:28,729 --> 01:27:24,179
next slide

2187
01:27:32,209 --> 01:27:28,739
this particular event South Asia MQ-9

2188
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,219
looking at another MQ-9 and what's

2189
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:34,560
highlighted there in that red circle is

2190
01:27:39,950 --> 01:27:37,440
an object that flies through the screen

2191
01:27:41,870 --> 01:27:39,960
unlike the previous one

2192
01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:41,880
this one actually shows some really

2193
01:27:46,610 --> 01:27:43,560
interesting things that everyone thought

2194
01:27:48,830 --> 01:27:46,620
was truly anomalous to start with first

2195
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:48,840
of all it's a high speed object that's

2196
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:51,120
flying in the field of regard of two

2197
01:27:57,530 --> 01:27:55,020
mq-9s second it appears to have this

2198
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,540
trail behind it

2199
01:28:03,709 --> 01:28:00,000
all right which at first blush you would

2200
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:03,719
think that looks like a propulsion Trail

2201
01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:07,560
in reality if you want to play the first

2202
01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:09,300
slide we'll show you what that looks

2203
01:28:15,169 --> 01:28:11,820
like in real time or first video so

2204
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:15,179
we're looking at that there it goes

2205
01:28:19,010 --> 01:28:17,100
once you play it again and then pause it

2206
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:19,020
halfway through

2207
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,639
right there

2208
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:22,320
all right if you might be able to see

2209
01:28:27,649 --> 01:28:25,080
that trail there behind it

2210
01:28:30,729 --> 01:28:27,659
that's actually not a real trail that is

2211
01:28:33,229 --> 01:28:30,739
a sensor artifact

2212
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:33,239
each one of those little blobs is

2213
01:28:37,729 --> 01:28:35,520
actually a representation of the object

2214
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:37,739
as it's moving through and later in the

2215
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:40,440
video as the

2216
01:28:47,330 --> 01:28:44,820
as the camera slews that trail actually

2217
01:28:51,229 --> 01:28:47,340
follows the direction of the camera not

2218
01:28:53,689 --> 01:28:51,239
the direction of the object

2219
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:53,699
we pulled these apart frame by frame we

2220
01:28:57,370 --> 01:28:55,440
were able to demonstrate that that is

2221
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,380
essentially a readout

2222
01:29:02,330 --> 01:28:59,760
overlap of the image it's a it's a

2223
01:29:04,330 --> 01:29:02,340
shadow image right it's not real

2224
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:04,340
further if you later

2225
01:29:10,490 --> 01:29:07,440
follow this all the way to end it starts

2226
01:29:12,350 --> 01:29:10,500
to resolve itself into that blob that's

2227
01:29:14,570 --> 01:29:12,360
in that picture in the top of the right

2228
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:14,580
and if you squint it looks like an

2229
01:29:18,110 --> 01:29:16,380
aircraft because it actually turns out

2230
01:29:21,050 --> 01:29:18,120
to be an aircraft go ahead and put that

2231
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:23,510
so you'll see the tail sort of pop out

2232
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:25,980
there and so what you're looking at is

2233
01:29:30,410 --> 01:29:28,320
this is in the infrared this is the Heat

2234
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,420
Signature off of the

2235
01:29:34,490 --> 01:29:32,639
engines of a commuter aircraft that

2236
01:29:38,030 --> 01:29:34,500
happen to be flying in the vicinity of

2237
01:29:40,610 --> 01:29:38,040
where those two mq9s were at

2238
01:29:42,050 --> 01:29:40,620
why am i showing you this so the first

2239
01:29:44,990 --> 01:29:42,060
one that I showed you we don't have

2240
01:29:48,350 --> 01:29:45,000
resolved yet right that is an unresolved

2241
01:29:51,229 --> 01:29:48,360
case we are still studying this one we

2242
01:29:53,330 --> 01:29:51,239
can resolve but this is the kind of data

2243
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,340
that we have to work with and the type

2244
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:55,920
of analysis that we have to do which can

2245
01:30:00,830 --> 01:29:57,960
be quite extensive when you have to pull

2246
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:00,840
these apart frame by frame

2247
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:03,840
further we're now matching all of this

2248
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:06,840
with the models of all of those Imaging

2249
01:30:12,649 --> 01:30:10,080
sensors so that I can say I can recreate

2250
01:30:14,330 --> 01:30:12,659
this I can actually show how the sensor

2251
01:30:16,669 --> 01:30:14,340
is going to respond

2252
01:30:19,729 --> 01:30:16,679
all of these sensors don't necessarily

2253
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,739
respond the way you think they do

2254
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:21,840
especially out in the world and in the

2255
01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:27,050
and I believe that's all I have and I

2256
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:29,400
will open it up for your questions

2257
01:30:34,910 --> 01:30:32,639
thank you so much Dr crew Patrick can

2258
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:34,920
you just give us some raw numbers of how

2259
01:30:40,729 --> 01:30:39,120
many uaps you've analyzed how many have

2260
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,739
been resolved and sort of in what

2261
01:30:44,990 --> 01:30:42,480
buckets and then how many are still left

2262
01:30:48,050 --> 01:30:45,000
to be resolved just an update from your

2263
01:30:51,129 --> 01:30:48,060
January public report where it was 366

2264
01:30:53,810 --> 01:30:51,139
or something in about 150 were were

2265
01:30:55,550 --> 01:30:53,820
balloons in about two dozen were drones

2266
01:30:59,629 --> 01:30:55,560
you know just give us an update if you

2267
01:31:05,390 --> 01:30:59,639
have one sure so as of this week we are

2268
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:05,400
tracking over a total of 650 cases

2269
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:08,880
now the report in January basically said

2270
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:10,920
about half of the ones at that time

2271
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:13,860
about 150 were balloon were likely

2272
01:31:18,830 --> 01:31:16,260
balloon-like or something like that that

2273
01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:18,840
doesn't mean they're resolved oh okay so

2274
01:31:24,410 --> 01:31:21,000
what let me let me walk everyone through

2275
01:31:26,570 --> 01:31:24,420
what our analytic process looks like

2276
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:26,580
we have a essentially a

2277
01:31:32,030 --> 01:31:29,520
five-step process right so we have we

2278
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:32,040
get our cases and with all the data we

2279
01:31:40,370 --> 01:31:36,840
create a case uh for that event

2280
01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:40,380
my team does a preliminary scrub of all

2281
01:31:45,890 --> 01:31:43,260
of those cases as they come in just to

2282
01:31:48,649 --> 01:31:45,900
sort out do we have any information that

2283
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:48,659
says this is in one of those likely

2284
01:31:54,110 --> 01:31:50,639
categories it's likely a balloon it's

2285
01:31:55,550 --> 01:31:54,120
likely a balloon a bird it's likely some

2286
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:55,560
other object

2287
01:32:02,450 --> 01:31:58,320
or we don't know

2288
01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:02,460
then we prioritize those based off of

2289
01:32:07,129 --> 01:32:05,159
where they are are they attached to a

2290
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:07,139
national security area

2291
01:32:13,010 --> 01:32:10,159
does it show some anomalous

2292
01:32:14,930 --> 01:32:13,020
phenomenology that is of interest if

2293
01:32:17,629 --> 01:32:14,940
it's just if it's just a spherical thing

2294
01:32:20,270 --> 01:32:17,639
that's floating around with the with the

2295
01:32:21,649 --> 01:32:20,280
wind and it has no payload on it that's

2296
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,659
going to be less important than

2297
01:32:24,890 --> 01:32:23,520
something that has a payload on it which

2298
01:32:26,450 --> 01:32:24,900
would be less important than something

2299
01:32:28,490 --> 01:32:26,460
that's maneuvering

2300
01:32:30,649 --> 01:32:28,500
right so there's there's sort of a

2301
01:32:34,669 --> 01:32:30,659
hierarchy of just binning the priorities

2302
01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:34,679
because we can't do all of them at once

2303
01:32:38,810 --> 01:32:37,020
once we do that and we prioritize them

2304
01:32:41,410 --> 01:32:38,820
when we take that package of data in

2305
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:41,420
that case and I have set up two teams

2306
01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:44,400
think of this as a red team blue team or

2307
01:32:48,410 --> 01:32:46,320
a competitive analysis

2308
01:32:51,470 --> 01:32:48,420
I have an intelligence Community team

2309
01:32:54,350 --> 01:32:51,480
made up of intelligence analysts and I

2310
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:54,360
have an s t team made up of scientists

2311
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:55,679
and engineers and the people that

2312
01:32:59,570 --> 01:32:57,600
actually build a lot of these sensors or

2313
01:33:02,570 --> 01:32:59,580
physicists because you know if you're a

2314
01:33:03,410 --> 01:33:02,580
physicist you can do anything right

2315
01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:03,420
um

2316
01:33:08,990 --> 01:33:06,600
and but they're not associated with the

2317
01:33:11,209 --> 01:33:09,000
Intel Community they're not Intel

2318
01:33:13,370 --> 01:33:11,219
officers so they they look at this

2319
01:33:15,709 --> 01:33:13,380
through the lens of the sensor of the

2320
01:33:17,689 --> 01:33:15,719
what the data says we give that package

2321
01:33:19,370 --> 01:33:17,699
to both teams

2322
01:33:20,689 --> 01:33:19,380
the intelligence Community is going to

2323
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,699
look at it through the lens of the

2324
01:33:25,490 --> 01:33:22,560
intelligence record and and what they

2325
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:25,500
assess and their Intel tradecraft which

2326
01:33:28,910 --> 01:33:27,120
they have very specific rules and

2327
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:28,920
regulations on how they do that

2328
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,960
scientific Community Technical Community

2329
01:33:35,090 --> 01:33:32,639
is going to look at it through the lens

2330
01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:35,100
of what is the data telling me what is

2331
01:33:40,010 --> 01:33:37,860
the sensor doing what would I expect a

2332
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:40,020
sensor response to be

2333
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:42,960
and back that out those two groups give

2334
01:33:50,570 --> 01:33:47,280
us their answers we then adjudicate

2335
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:50,580
if they agree then I am more likely to

2336
01:33:55,490 --> 01:33:52,860
close that case if they agree on what it

2337
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:55,500
is if they disagree we will have an

2338
01:33:58,850 --> 01:33:57,360
adjudication we'll bring them together

2339
01:34:02,030 --> 01:33:58,860
we'll take a look at the differences

2340
01:34:03,709 --> 01:34:02,040
we'll adjudicate what why do you say one

2341
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:03,719
thing and you say another

2342
01:34:08,810 --> 01:34:06,000
we will then come to a case

2343
01:34:11,330 --> 01:34:08,820
recommendation

2344
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:11,340
that'll get written up by my team

2345
01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:14,639
that then goes to a senior technical

2346
01:34:18,350 --> 01:34:16,500
Advisory Group

2347
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:18,360
which is outside of all of those people

2348
01:34:22,750 --> 01:34:21,840
made up of senior technical folks and

2349
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:22,760
and

2350
01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:29,840
retired out of the community

2351
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:32,760
and they they essentially peer review

2352
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:37,199
what that case recommendation is

2353
01:34:41,810 --> 01:34:39,120
they write their recommendations that

2354
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:41,820
comes back to me I review it we make a

2355
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:43,679
determination and I'll sign off one way

2356
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:44,639
or the other

2357
01:34:50,270 --> 01:34:47,040
and then that will go out as the the

2358
01:34:52,850 --> 01:34:50,280
case determination once we have an

2359
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,860
approved web portal to hang the

2360
01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:55,199
unclassified stuff we will D you know we

2361
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:57,060
would downgrade and declassify things

2362
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:58,560
and put it out there

2363
01:35:03,890 --> 01:35:00,719
in the meantime we're putting a lot of

2364
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:03,900
these on our classified web portal where

2365
01:35:07,129 --> 01:35:05,760
we can then collaborate with the rest of

2366
01:35:08,990 --> 01:35:07,139
the community so they can see what's

2367
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:09,000
going on

2368
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:12,480
that's in a nutshell that is the process

2369
01:35:21,050 --> 01:35:19,010
because of that

2370
01:35:24,649 --> 01:35:21,060
that takes time

2371
01:35:26,750 --> 01:35:24,659
so of those over 650 you know we've

2372
01:35:32,209 --> 01:35:26,760
prioritized

2373
01:35:35,689 --> 01:35:32,219
about uh half of them to be of of

2374
01:35:37,310 --> 01:35:35,699
um anomalous interesting value

2375
01:35:39,470 --> 01:35:37,320
and now we have to go through those and

2376
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:39,480
go how much do I have actual data for

2377
01:35:47,090 --> 01:35:43,199
because if all I have is a is a operator

2378
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:47,100
report that says I saw X Y or Z my

2379
01:35:52,490 --> 01:35:50,639
assessment is a b or c that's not really

2380
01:35:55,550 --> 01:35:52,500
sufficient that's a good place to start

2381
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:55,560
but I have to have data I have to have

2382
01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:57,600
radar data I have to have EO data I have

2383
01:36:01,970 --> 01:35:59,219
to have thermal data I have to have

2384
01:36:03,530 --> 01:36:01,980
overhead data and we need to look at all

2385
01:36:06,350 --> 01:36:03,540
that

2386
01:36:08,270 --> 01:36:06,360
now from a big picture perspective I

2387
01:36:09,649 --> 01:36:08,280
still have that's all very still very

2388
01:36:12,110 --> 01:36:09,659
valuable data

2389
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:12,120
and we're looking at applying a lot of

2390
01:36:18,350 --> 01:36:15,600
things new tools analytic tools like

2391
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:18,360
natural language processing so I can go

2392
01:36:24,169 --> 01:36:21,360
across all of those reports and look for

2393
01:36:26,689 --> 01:36:24,179
commonalities how many of them are being

2394
01:36:28,189 --> 01:36:26,699
described as round spherical objects

2395
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,199
that are maneuvering how many of them

2396
01:36:34,270 --> 01:36:30,000
are not maneuvering how many of them

2397
01:36:37,070 --> 01:36:34,280
seem to have a plume to it or note

2398
01:36:38,810 --> 01:36:37,080
that's also going to be very valuable to

2399
01:36:41,290 --> 01:36:38,820
give us more of a global picture and a

2400
01:36:44,570 --> 01:36:41,300
Trends analysis of what are we saying

2401
01:36:47,450 --> 01:36:44,580
and help us get to the determination

2402
01:36:48,290 --> 01:36:47,460
so go back to your question ma'am we

2403
01:36:49,570 --> 01:36:48,300
have

2404
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,580
um

2405
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,320
this next quarterly report will be

2406
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,239
coming out here pretty soon our next

2407
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:56,000
annual report

2408
01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:00,960
you all have given us moved it up to to

2409
01:37:06,350 --> 01:37:03,060
June July we're going to be having that

2410
01:37:08,750 --> 01:37:06,360
done about that time frame and we will

2411
01:37:12,770 --> 01:37:08,760
have a we'll be combining a whole number

2412
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:12,780
of reports into that one uh I think

2413
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:21,110
if I remember correct we were around

2414
01:37:26,750 --> 01:37:24,719
20 to 30-ish or about halfway through

2415
01:37:28,610 --> 01:37:26,760
that analytic process

2416
01:37:30,169 --> 01:37:28,620
a handful of them have made it all the

2417
01:37:32,810 --> 01:37:30,179
way out to the other side gone through

2418
01:37:35,209 --> 01:37:32,820
peer review we've got case closure

2419
01:37:37,970 --> 01:37:35,219
reports done and signed

2420
01:37:40,970 --> 01:37:37,980
we're going to get faster as we get more

2421
01:37:44,030 --> 01:37:40,980
people on board and we get more of the

2422
01:37:47,930 --> 01:37:44,040
community tools to automate some of the

2423
01:37:53,390 --> 01:37:50,470
yeah thank you madam chair and Dr

2424
01:37:56,209 --> 01:37:53,400
Kirkpatrick the odni annual threat

2425
01:37:59,330 --> 01:37:56,219
assessment states that China's space

2426
01:38:02,169 --> 01:37:59,340
activities are designed to erode U.S

2427
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:02,179
influence across military technological

2428
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:05,520
economic and diplomatic spheres likewise

2429
01:38:10,970 --> 01:38:07,800
Russia will remain a key space

2430
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:10,980
competitor in the course of your work

2431
01:38:16,189 --> 01:38:13,320
have you become aware of any Chinese or

2432
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:16,199
Russia technical advancements to surveil

2433
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:19,620
or attack U.S interests

2434
01:38:25,129 --> 01:38:22,560
so that's a great question part of what

2435
01:38:28,189 --> 01:38:25,139
we have to do as we go through these

2436
01:38:30,350 --> 01:38:28,199
especially the ones that show

2437
01:38:33,229 --> 01:38:30,360
signatures of advanced technical

2438
01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:33,239
capabilities is determine if there's a

2439
01:38:39,050 --> 01:38:35,880
foreign Nexus

2440
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:39,060
that's really hard if what we observe

2441
01:38:44,030 --> 01:38:41,580
doesn't have a Chinese or Russian flag

2442
01:38:45,950 --> 01:38:44,040
on the side of it

2443
01:38:47,930 --> 01:38:45,960
now

2444
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:47,940
I think it is

2445
01:38:50,810 --> 01:38:48,480
um

2446
01:38:56,209 --> 01:38:50,820
prudent to say

2447
01:38:58,189 --> 01:38:56,219
of the of the cases that are showing

2448
01:39:00,410 --> 01:38:58,199
it you know some sort of advanced

2449
01:39:02,750 --> 01:39:00,420
technical signature of which we're

2450
01:39:06,530 --> 01:39:02,760
talking single percentages of the entire

2451
01:39:08,689 --> 01:39:06,540
population of cases we have

2452
01:39:10,669 --> 01:39:08,699
um I am concerned

2453
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:10,679
about

2454
01:39:16,370 --> 01:39:13,920
what that Nexus is and I have indicators

2455
01:39:18,590 --> 01:39:16,380
that some are related to foreign

2456
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:18,600
capabilities

2457
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:21,600
we have to investigate that with our IC

2458
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:22,980
partners

2459
01:39:27,709 --> 01:39:25,679
and as we get evidence to support that

2460
01:39:31,790 --> 01:39:27,719
that gets then handed off to the

2461
01:39:34,370 --> 01:39:31,800
appropriate IC agency to investigate

2462
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,380
again it becomes an SCP at that point

2463
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:36,960
yeah somebody else's problem right very

2464
01:39:44,209 --> 01:39:41,760
good thank you yes is it is it is it

2465
01:39:46,729 --> 01:39:44,219
possible that the Chinese or Russian

2466
01:39:48,590 --> 01:39:46,739
Advanced Technologies could could be

2467
01:39:51,890 --> 01:39:48,600
causing some of these anomalous

2468
01:39:57,169 --> 01:39:51,900
behaviors and and you said there seems

2469
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:57,179
to be some indicators uh so just for us

2470
01:40:02,330 --> 01:40:00,000
today could you describe Potential

2471
01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:02,340
Threat that might exist out there if

2472
01:40:10,810 --> 01:40:08,930
in order to do this research

2473
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:10,820
appropriately

2474
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:14,880
we have to also be cognizant of what is

2475
01:40:20,030 --> 01:40:16,320
the state of the art and Development

2476
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:20,040
Across the s t Community what is what

2477
01:40:25,570 --> 01:40:21,900
are the darpas of the world doing what

2478
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:25,580
are our What's the horizon scanning of

2479
01:40:31,490 --> 01:40:28,800
emerging Technologies appropriate to

2480
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,500
this subcommittee what is happening out

2481
01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:34,080
there and if somebody could accelerate

2482
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,900
that capability how would that manifest

2483
01:40:40,729 --> 01:40:38,639
itself and what would it look like and

2484
01:40:42,430 --> 01:40:40,739
do those signatures match what we're

2485
01:40:45,649 --> 01:40:42,440
seeing

2486
01:40:50,209 --> 01:40:45,659
there are emerging capabilities out

2487
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,219
there that that in many instances

2488
01:40:54,890 --> 01:40:53,040
Russia and China well China in

2489
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:54,900
particular are

2490
01:41:01,310 --> 01:40:58,800
on par or ahead of us in some areas

2491
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,320
right so previously I used to be the

2492
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:03,360
defense Department's intelligence

2493
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:04,920
officer for Science and Technical

2494
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:07,440
intelligence that was our job was to

2495
01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:10,800
look for what does all that look like

2496
01:41:16,250 --> 01:41:13,860
um and then you know my last several

2497
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:16,260
years of course in in space command

2498
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,470
the the adversary is not

2499
01:41:28,430 --> 01:41:26,400
waiting

2500
01:41:29,930 --> 01:41:28,440
they are advancing and they're advancing

2501
01:41:31,970 --> 01:41:29,940
quickly

2502
01:41:33,530 --> 01:41:31,980
if I were to put on some of my old hats

2503
01:41:37,250 --> 01:41:33,540
I would tell you

2504
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,260
they are less risk-averse at technical

2505
01:41:42,169 --> 01:41:40,320
advancement than we are

2506
01:41:44,209 --> 01:41:42,179
right they are just willing to try

2507
01:41:46,189 --> 01:41:44,219
things and see if it works

2508
01:41:49,070 --> 01:41:46,199
are there capabilities that could be

2509
01:41:51,470 --> 01:41:49,080
employed against us in both an ISR and a

2510
01:41:53,689 --> 01:41:51,480
weapons fashion absolutely

2511
01:41:56,530 --> 01:41:53,699
do I have evidence that they're doing it

2512
01:42:01,850 --> 01:41:56,540
in these cases

2513
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:03,709
thank you I appreciate that and that's

2514
01:42:07,729 --> 01:42:06,239
that is why it's so important that you

2515
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,739
are working with the intelligence

2516
01:42:11,629 --> 01:42:09,600
Community as well

2517
01:42:14,750 --> 01:42:11,639
um because you you have the science the

2518
01:42:18,350 --> 01:42:14,760
data background but you also need to

2519
01:42:20,750 --> 01:42:18,360
know from various sources what

2520
01:42:22,850 --> 01:42:20,760
adversaries may be working on is that

2521
01:42:26,450 --> 01:42:22,860
correct okay thank you thank you very

2522
01:42:28,609 --> 01:42:26,460
much thank you madam chair Senator wrote

2523
01:42:30,770 --> 01:42:28,619
uh well thank you chair gillibrand

2524
01:42:32,750 --> 01:42:30,780
ranking member Ernst this is a really

2525
01:42:35,390 --> 01:42:32,760
important hearing I'd like to thank you

2526
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,400
Dr Kirkpatrick for your service to the

2527
01:42:40,910 --> 01:42:37,920
country and as a former systems analyst

2528
01:42:43,070 --> 01:42:40,920
myself I really appreciate your flow

2529
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:43,080
chart the description of the process and

2530
01:42:47,450 --> 01:42:45,119
particularly the trends analysis going

2531
01:42:50,330 --> 01:42:47,460
forward how that's going to help us and

2532
01:42:52,189 --> 01:42:50,340
you talked about language the large llms

2533
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:52,199
the large language models of artificial

2534
01:42:55,970 --> 01:42:53,760
intelligence that's really going to help

2535
01:42:57,609 --> 01:42:55,980
us in the hunt forward predictive

2536
01:43:00,830 --> 01:42:57,619
analysis I think

2537
01:43:02,149 --> 01:43:00,840
to some of your point what we're worried

2538
01:43:04,850 --> 01:43:02,159
about but I want to focus on Nevada

2539
01:43:08,090 --> 01:43:04,860
because I want to talk about the impact

2540
01:43:10,490 --> 01:43:08,100
of uaps on Aviation safety so when it

2541
01:43:13,370 --> 01:43:10,500
comes to unified unidentified aerial

2542
01:43:14,810 --> 01:43:13,380
phenomenal phenomena excuse me one of my

2543
01:43:17,570 --> 01:43:14,820
first concerns is really about the

2544
01:43:19,609 --> 01:43:17,580
safety of Nevada's military Aviator

2545
01:43:22,010 --> 01:43:19,619
so we have Airman station at Nellis Air

2546
01:43:24,290 --> 01:43:22,020
Force Base Naval aviators flying at

2547
01:43:27,290 --> 01:43:24,300
Naval Air Station Fallon and service

2548
01:43:29,330 --> 01:43:27,300
members across from across the world

2549
01:43:31,010 --> 01:43:29,340
training at the Nevada test and training

2550
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:31,020
range I know you know all this and

2551
01:43:35,930 --> 01:43:32,880
unfortunately the existence of advanced

2552
01:43:38,810 --> 01:43:35,940
uaps in the U.S airspace and over U.S

2553
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:38,820
military installations not a new

2554
01:43:42,109 --> 01:43:40,080
phenomenon

2555
01:43:46,370 --> 01:43:42,119
the Navy's officially acknowledged that

2556
01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:46,380
between 2004 and 2021 11 near misses

2557
01:43:52,010 --> 01:43:49,020
occurred involving uaps it required

2558
01:43:54,169 --> 01:43:52,020
pilot action and follow-up reports as a

2559
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,179
result in 2019 the Navy established a

2560
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:56,880
protocol for Pilots to report on their

2561
01:44:02,030 --> 01:43:59,280
dangerous encounters so could you speak

2562
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,040
to any ongoing efforts within DOD to

2563
01:44:07,490 --> 01:44:04,320
ensure the safety of our aviators with a

2564
01:44:09,229 --> 01:44:07,500
potential UAP encounter and what's your

2565
01:44:11,330 --> 01:44:09,239
relationship with North com NORAD

2566
01:44:14,990 --> 01:44:11,340
spacecom when it comes to this immediate

2567
01:44:16,729 --> 01:44:15,000
real-time response and how they're

2568
01:44:19,490 --> 01:44:16,739
they're right there in the moment right

2569
01:44:22,729 --> 01:44:19,500
absolutely that's a great question so

2570
01:44:25,250 --> 01:44:22,739
uh let me start with my relationship

2571
01:44:27,530 --> 01:44:25,260
with the commands are are very good I

2572
01:44:29,330 --> 01:44:27,540
just came back from uh sitting down with

2573
01:44:31,370 --> 01:44:29,340
with General van hurk and all the all

2574
01:44:33,649 --> 01:44:31,380
the Jay staff out at North com a couple

2575
01:44:36,109 --> 01:44:33,659
weeks ago talking through exactly what

2576
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,119
we need to do to help them get their

2577
01:44:41,450 --> 01:44:37,920
arms around this

2578
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,460
we are also working very closely with

2579
01:44:46,669 --> 01:44:43,920
joint staff and the joint staff has just

2580
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:46,679
been very outstanding in helping work

2581
01:44:52,330 --> 01:44:49,020
through policy and guidance issues to

2582
01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:54,830
and I would like to just make sure that

2583
01:45:00,609 --> 01:44:57,780
we we message back to all of the

2584
01:45:03,890 --> 01:45:00,619
operators the importance of their

2585
01:45:05,330 --> 01:45:03,900
reporting and the fact that you're about

2586
01:45:07,250 --> 01:45:05,340
to get a you know a bunch of new

2587
01:45:09,290 --> 01:45:07,260
requirements that we're issuing through

2588
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:09,300
the joint staff

2589
01:45:14,570 --> 01:45:11,280
on all of the data that we're going to

2590
01:45:18,050 --> 01:45:14,580
need you to save and report back to us

2591
01:45:20,450 --> 01:45:18,060
it is invaluable and we are working to

2592
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:20,460
try to to take the most advantage of

2593
01:45:23,390 --> 01:45:22,080
that to learn what it is that we're

2594
01:45:26,209 --> 01:45:23,400
trying to mitigate

2595
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:26,219
to get directly to your question

2596
01:45:30,290 --> 01:45:28,159
first thing that we're doing is

2597
01:45:32,270 --> 01:45:30,300
normalizing our reporting right we're

2598
01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:32,280
standardizing our reporting and the

2599
01:45:36,109 --> 01:45:33,920
requirements associated with that

2600
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,119
guidance from The Joint staff I think

2601
01:45:40,250 --> 01:45:38,400
goes out maybe this week

2602
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:40,260
um maybe next week on that we've been

2603
01:45:43,609 --> 01:45:41,760
working with them for some months that

2604
01:45:45,050 --> 01:45:43,619
does exactly what I just said it gives

2605
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:45,060
them timelines it gives them

2606
01:45:49,490 --> 01:45:46,800
requirements it gives them here's all

2607
01:45:52,250 --> 01:45:49,500
the data you have to have

2608
01:45:54,530 --> 01:45:52,260
um and you got to retain it

2609
01:45:57,649 --> 01:45:54,540
the next thing that comes after that is

2610
01:46:00,890 --> 01:45:57,659
a plan ORD that will go out to the

2611
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,900
commands for mitigation and response so

2612
01:46:03,410 --> 01:46:02,400
there's a couple of things that we have

2613
01:46:08,330 --> 01:46:03,420
to do

2614
01:46:12,169 --> 01:46:08,340
one I need to work with the commands and

2615
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:12,179
with the IC and with our outside of our

2616
01:46:16,209 --> 01:46:14,639
DOD and IC Partners to extend our

2617
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:16,219
collection posture

2618
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:19,199
targeted at some of these key areas that

2619
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:21,360
you saw on that heat map

2620
01:46:27,649 --> 01:46:24,300
that have a lot of activity so that we

2621
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:27,659
can turn on extra collection when an

2622
01:46:32,030 --> 01:46:30,239
operator sees something so part of this

2623
01:46:35,450 --> 01:46:32,040
is generating

2624
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:35,460
is a response function what we call a

2625
01:46:40,189 --> 01:46:38,159
tactic technique and procedure for an

2626
01:46:42,290 --> 01:46:40,199
operator when he sees something calls

2627
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,300
back to the operations floor they can

2628
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,639
turn on additional collection what does

2629
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:46,800
that collection look like how do I bring

2630
01:46:51,470 --> 01:46:48,719
all that together so I can get more data

2631
01:46:53,870 --> 01:46:51,480
on what is that thing can I ask really

2632
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:53,880
quickly to have the authorities you need

2633
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:55,679
to extend your collection posture

2634
01:47:01,010 --> 01:46:59,280
between agencies or or branches of the

2635
01:47:03,530 --> 01:47:01,020
military because that seems to me to

2636
01:47:05,149 --> 01:47:03,540
maybe be a sticking point I know my

2637
01:47:06,370 --> 01:47:05,159
time's just about up I'd love to follow

2638
01:47:09,050 --> 01:47:06,380
up about your risk management

2639
01:47:10,970 --> 01:47:09,060
methodologies for some of these but do

2640
01:47:13,550 --> 01:47:10,980
you need any authorities that you don't

2641
01:47:14,990 --> 01:47:13,560
have to uh get get the data there are

2642
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:15,000
some authorities that we need we

2643
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:16,800
currently are operating under title 10

2644
01:47:20,990 --> 01:47:18,960
authorities but we have

2645
01:47:23,330 --> 01:47:21,000
um you know good relationships across

2646
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:23,340
the other agencies but having additional

2647
01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:25,199
authorities for collection tasking

2648
01:47:28,609 --> 01:47:26,940
Counter Intelligence that's something

2649
01:47:29,689 --> 01:47:28,619
those are all things that would be

2650
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,699
helpful yes

2651
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,920
thank you to follow up Dr Kirkpatrick

2652
01:47:35,209 --> 01:47:33,840
will you help us write that language so

2653
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:35,219
we can put it in the defense bill this

2654
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:36,719
year so that we know what authorities

2655
01:47:41,570 --> 01:47:40,080
you need we can do that thank you

2656
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:41,580
um we're going to start second round so

2657
01:47:44,450 --> 01:47:42,719
if you want to stay you can ask another

2658
01:47:46,370 --> 01:47:44,460
round I have at least three more

2659
01:47:48,109 --> 01:47:46,380
questions so

2660
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:48,119
do you want to do you want to go right

2661
01:48:04,450 --> 01:47:50,880
now so you in case you have to leave

2662
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,070
spy balloon it did cross for the U.S

2663
01:48:12,290 --> 01:48:09,600
airspace shot down by a Sidewinder

2664
01:48:15,050 --> 01:48:12,300
missile fired from an F-22

2665
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,060
Sidewinders cost us close to half a

2666
01:48:19,609 --> 01:48:17,280
million dollars each

2667
01:48:21,470 --> 01:48:19,619
so given the cost of these missiles the

2668
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:21,480
cost per flight all of these other

2669
01:48:25,310 --> 01:48:23,280
things like I said follow up on the

2670
01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:25,320
authorities your methodologies the data

2671
01:48:29,330 --> 01:48:26,760
collection they can help us in other

2672
01:48:32,090 --> 01:48:29,340
ways but how do you think we can develop

2673
01:48:34,850 --> 01:48:32,100
a sustainable affordable response to

2674
01:48:37,250 --> 01:48:34,860
uaps where we need to

2675
01:48:40,010 --> 01:48:37,260
um that may that will definitely violate

2676
01:48:42,350 --> 01:48:40,020
our airspace not may definitely violate

2677
01:48:43,970 --> 01:48:42,360
our airspace every chance that they can

2678
01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:43,980
get because there are adversaries they

2679
01:48:48,109 --> 01:48:45,900
want this information so what do you

2680
01:48:50,030 --> 01:48:48,119
think some cost-effective measures might

2681
01:48:52,010 --> 01:48:50,040
be that we can

2682
01:48:53,330 --> 01:48:52,020
um get what we need out of that or take

2683
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,340
them down whatever is appropriate

2684
01:48:56,570 --> 01:48:54,960
whatever the appropriate measure is

2685
01:48:58,729 --> 01:48:56,580
let's put it down so that that is

2686
01:49:00,290 --> 01:48:58,739
actually wrapped into the plan ORD that

2687
01:49:02,990 --> 01:49:00,300
we're working with joint staff to send

2688
01:49:05,209 --> 01:49:03,000
out what are the commands need from both

2689
01:49:08,209 --> 01:49:05,219
a capabilities perspective for kinetic

2690
01:49:11,090 --> 01:49:08,219
and non-kinetic engagements what are the

2691
01:49:15,410 --> 01:49:11,100
response functions of the of the

2692
01:49:17,330 --> 01:49:15,420
particular wings or or navy what have

2693
01:49:20,209 --> 01:49:17,340
you and then

2694
01:49:21,770 --> 01:49:20,219
what authorities do they need so one of

2695
01:49:23,870 --> 01:49:21,780
the one of the challenges that we've

2696
01:49:26,689 --> 01:49:23,880
seen is is you know there's an

2697
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:26,699
authorities issues with the with the

2698
01:49:31,070 --> 01:49:29,760
owners operators of those ranges that

2699
01:49:35,090 --> 01:49:31,080
they need to work through and we're

2700
01:49:38,209 --> 01:49:35,100
working that with joint staff and OSD so

2701
01:49:40,430 --> 01:49:38,219
the big picture we need to do all that

2702
01:49:42,050 --> 01:49:40,440
if you want to get down to the specifics

2703
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:42,060
for you know there are non-kinetic

2704
01:49:46,750 --> 01:49:43,920
options to engage pretty much everything

2705
01:49:49,310 --> 01:49:46,760
right whether it's electronic warfare

2706
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,320
whether it's you know Laser Technology

2707
01:49:54,530 --> 01:49:51,840
that's where this data having a good

2708
01:49:57,470 --> 01:49:54,540
data collection Predictive Analytics you

2709
01:49:59,330 --> 01:49:57,480
can perform make some assumptions and

2710
01:50:01,850 --> 01:49:59,340
possibilities that's right and we will

2711
01:50:04,010 --> 01:50:01,860
inform uh recommendations back to the

2712
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:04,020
department on here's what could work

2713
01:50:08,270 --> 01:50:06,000
here's what we've seen work here's what

2714
01:50:10,370 --> 01:50:08,280
doesn't work thank you so much thank you

2715
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:10,380
madam chair I appreciate it thank you

2716
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,280
very much

2717
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:13,440
um I just wanted to just talk a little

2718
01:50:18,109 --> 01:50:15,119
bit about your Logistics who you report

2719
01:50:20,030 --> 01:50:18,119
to how that's going uh whether you need

2720
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:20,040
different reporting lines

2721
01:50:23,689 --> 01:50:21,600
um by Congressional legislation your

2722
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,699
office is administratively located with

2723
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,199
the office of the under secretary of

2724
01:50:28,970 --> 01:50:27,119
defense for intelligence security but

2725
01:50:30,890 --> 01:50:28,980
you're not substantively subordinate to

2726
01:50:32,510 --> 01:50:30,900
the under secretary rather you are a

2727
01:50:34,189 --> 01:50:32,520
direct report to the deputy secretary

2728
01:50:36,050 --> 01:50:34,199
are you taking Direction directly from

2729
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:36,060
the deputy secretary are you able to

2730
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:38,760
meet and brief the deputy secretary

2731
01:50:44,090 --> 01:50:42,000
um is the office of USD ins

2732
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:44,100
um working with you to have the right

2733
01:50:51,590 --> 01:50:45,840
framework

2734
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:51,600
so USD ins and the I currently report to

2735
01:50:57,770 --> 01:50:54,480
USD ins

2736
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:57,780
until they come up with the the plan for

2737
01:51:01,550 --> 01:50:58,560
how they're going to implement

2738
01:51:08,330 --> 01:51:05,090
DOD and dni are working through that now

2739
01:51:11,090 --> 01:51:08,340
I'd have to refer you back to USD ins on

2740
01:51:14,930 --> 01:51:11,100
what their plan is

2741
01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:17,090
do I need to update your reporting

2742
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:18,900
structure in the next defense bill or is

2743
01:51:21,770 --> 01:51:20,159
this something that you think will work

2744
01:51:23,450 --> 01:51:21,780
its way out or does it need further

2745
01:51:25,370 --> 01:51:23,460
Clarity I think they're planning on

2746
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:25,380
coming back to you with an answer on

2747
01:51:30,050 --> 01:51:28,260
what that plan is and I think at that

2748
01:51:31,729 --> 01:51:30,060
time that will inform

2749
01:51:33,470 --> 01:51:31,739
what you want to do

2750
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:33,480
okay thank you

2751
01:51:37,790 --> 01:51:36,480
um as you know Dr Kirkpatrick Congress

2752
01:51:39,470 --> 01:51:37,800
has mandated that your office

2753
01:51:41,689 --> 01:51:39,480
established a discoverable and

2754
01:51:44,090 --> 01:51:41,699
accessible electronic method for

2755
01:51:46,970 --> 01:51:44,100
potential Witnesses of UAP incidents and

2756
01:51:48,770 --> 01:51:46,980
potential participants in government UAP

2757
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,780
related activities to contact your

2758
01:51:52,669 --> 01:51:50,639
office and tell their stories

2759
01:51:53,470 --> 01:51:52,679
Congress also set up a process whereby

2760
01:51:55,970 --> 01:51:53,480
people

2761
01:51:57,530 --> 01:51:55,980
subject to non-disclosure agreements

2762
01:51:58,790 --> 01:51:57,540
preventing them from disclosing what

2763
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:58,800
they may have witnessed or participated

2764
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:01,199
in could tell you what they know that

2765
01:52:05,390 --> 01:52:02,760
risk of Retribution from the or

2766
01:52:06,890 --> 01:52:05,400
violation of their ndas have you

2767
01:52:08,570 --> 01:52:06,900
submitted a public-facing website

2768
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:08,580
product for approval to your superiors

2769
01:52:14,750 --> 01:52:11,040
and how long has it been under review

2770
01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:14,760
I have we submitted the first version of

2771
01:52:22,669 --> 01:52:20,930
and do you have an estimate from them

2772
01:52:26,750 --> 01:52:22,679
when they will respond and when you'll

2773
01:52:28,490 --> 01:52:26,760
have feedback on that no I don't okay we

2774
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,500
will Author a letter asking for that

2775
01:52:33,290 --> 01:52:30,480
timely response

2776
01:52:35,629 --> 01:52:33,300
um to your superiors oh

2777
01:52:38,450 --> 01:52:35,639
when when do you expect that you will

2778
01:52:41,450 --> 01:52:38,460
establish a public-facing discoverable

2779
01:52:44,930 --> 01:52:41,460
um an access portal for people to use to

2780
01:52:48,290 --> 01:52:44,940
contact your office as the law requires

2781
01:52:51,229 --> 01:52:48,300
so I would like to First say thank you

2782
01:52:53,689 --> 01:52:51,239
all very much for referring the

2783
01:52:56,209 --> 01:52:53,699
witnesses that you have thus far to us I

2784
01:52:58,609 --> 01:52:56,219
appreciate that we've brought in nearly

2785
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:58,619
two dozen so far it's been it's been

2786
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,719
very uh helpful I'd ask that you

2787
01:53:04,030 --> 01:53:02,639
continue to do that until we have an

2788
01:53:07,310 --> 01:53:04,040
approved plan

2789
01:53:10,430 --> 01:53:07,320
we have a multi-phased approach for

2790
01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:10,440
doing that that we've been uh

2791
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:12,600
socializing and have submitted for

2792
01:53:16,270 --> 01:53:14,760
approval

2793
01:53:18,770 --> 01:53:16,280
sometime

2794
01:53:21,290 --> 01:53:18,780
and once that happens then we should be

2795
01:53:23,689 --> 01:53:21,300
able to push all that out and get uh get

2796
01:53:25,490 --> 01:53:23,699
this a little more automated great

2797
01:53:28,430 --> 01:53:25,500
um what I would ask though is as you all

2798
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,440
continue to refer to us and refer

2799
01:53:34,189 --> 01:53:30,719
witnesses to us I'd appreciate if you do

2800
01:53:36,050 --> 01:53:34,199
that please try to prioritize the ones

2801
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:36,060
that you want to do because we do have a

2802
01:53:40,010 --> 01:53:36,800
small

2803
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:40,020
research staff dealing with that

2804
01:53:43,729 --> 01:53:41,760
thank you

2805
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,739
um and then do you have any uh plans for

2806
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,360
public engagement that you want to share

2807
01:53:50,270 --> 01:53:47,520
now that you think it's important that

2808
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,280
the public knows what the plan is

2809
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,040
so we have a uh

2810
01:53:58,250 --> 01:53:55,760
a number of public engagement

2811
01:53:59,470 --> 01:53:58,260
recommendations according to our

2812
01:54:02,270 --> 01:53:59,480
strategic plan

2813
01:54:04,910 --> 01:54:02,280
all of those have been submitted for

2814
01:54:08,689 --> 01:54:04,920
approval they have to be approved by USD

2815
01:54:11,390 --> 01:54:08,699
ins we are waiting for approval to go do

2816
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:11,400
that okay I will follow up on that

2817
01:54:14,090 --> 01:54:13,610
um and then my last question is about

2818
01:54:15,590 --> 01:54:14,100
[Music]

2819
01:54:17,689 --> 01:54:15,600
um

2820
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,699
the integration of departments UAP

2821
01:54:21,790 --> 01:54:19,440
operations research analysis and

2822
01:54:24,770 --> 01:54:21,800
strategic Communications

2823
01:54:26,689 --> 01:54:24,780
during the recent UAP incidents over

2824
01:54:29,390 --> 01:54:26,699
North America it didn't appear that you

2825
01:54:30,830 --> 01:54:29,400
were allowed to play that role do you

2826
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:30,840
agree that the public perception is

2827
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:32,400
generally that you and your office did

2828
01:54:35,149 --> 01:54:33,840
not appear to play a major role in the

2829
01:54:37,209 --> 01:54:35,159
Department's response to the detection

2830
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:37,219
of objects over North America

2831
01:54:41,390 --> 01:54:39,840
what can you tell us that's going on

2832
01:54:43,729 --> 01:54:41,400
behind the scenes from your perspective

2833
01:54:46,250 --> 01:54:43,739
and in the after action assessment

2834
01:54:47,629 --> 01:54:46,260
process is there awareness that there is

2835
01:54:50,810 --> 01:54:47,639
a need to operate differently in the

2836
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:50,820
future and a commitment to doing so

2837
01:54:56,209 --> 01:54:53,280
when the when the objects were first

2838
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:56,219
detected I got called by joint staff

2839
01:55:03,590 --> 01:55:00,000
leadership uh to come in uh late one

2840
01:55:07,010 --> 01:55:03,600
night to review events as they were unfo

2841
01:55:08,810 --> 01:55:07,020
unfolding and to give them a you know an

2842
01:55:10,090 --> 01:55:08,820
assessment uh based on what we knew at

2843
01:55:13,609 --> 01:55:10,100
that time

2844
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:13,619
I did that I worked with the director of

2845
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:17,280
joint staff the J2 and the j3 that night

2846
01:55:22,370 --> 01:55:19,920
and over the couple of following days on

2847
01:55:24,649 --> 01:55:22,380
what are the types of things that we are

2848
01:55:27,290 --> 01:55:24,659
tracking from a unidentified object

2849
01:55:29,810 --> 01:55:27,300
perspective what databases do we use

2850
01:55:32,990 --> 01:55:29,820
those sorts of things for for Norm for

2851
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:33,000
known objects known tracking

2852
01:55:37,790 --> 01:55:34,560
um

2853
01:55:39,530 --> 01:55:37,800
beyond that the response I would have to

2854
01:55:41,930 --> 01:55:39,540
I would have to refer you back to the

2855
01:55:45,470 --> 01:55:41,940
White House for the decision on how they

2856
01:55:48,350 --> 01:55:45,480
did the the response we did not play a

2857
01:55:50,030 --> 01:55:48,360
role in what you would respond other

2858
01:55:50,689 --> 01:55:50,040
than that initial

2859
01:55:52,669 --> 01:55:50,699
um

2860
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:52,679
you know advice on what we are seeing

2861
01:56:04,490 --> 01:56:01,010
thank you madam chair

2862
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:04,500
um Dr Kirkpatrick I I know that your

2863
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:07,199
office has gotten a lot of attention uh

2864
01:56:13,070 --> 01:56:10,560
recently and of course any new agency

2865
01:56:16,850 --> 01:56:13,080
there tends to be a push to increase

2866
01:56:18,770 --> 01:56:16,860
size and and funding we want to make

2867
01:56:21,649 --> 01:56:18,780
sure that you're able to meet your goals

2868
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:21,659
but what I also need to ensure is that

2869
01:56:26,990 --> 01:56:24,239
we're not duplicating or replicating

2870
01:56:30,649 --> 01:56:27,000
existing functions and creating

2871
01:56:33,709 --> 01:56:30,659
redundancy within DOD and the

2872
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:33,719
interagency so what steps are you taking

2873
01:56:40,850 --> 01:56:36,719
right now to make sure that your

2874
01:56:44,689 --> 01:56:40,860
particular office and function is is

2875
01:56:47,209 --> 01:56:44,699
unique uh to any of the other agencies

2876
01:56:49,129 --> 01:56:47,219
that might be involved in these types of

2877
01:56:52,609 --> 01:56:49,139
cases yeah that's a that's a great

2878
01:56:54,770 --> 01:56:52,619
question so I would like to lay down

2879
01:56:56,930 --> 01:56:54,780
here's here's what am I

2880
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:56,940
for my mission and my goal and my vision

2881
01:57:02,149 --> 01:57:00,719
here so the vision is at one point at

2882
01:57:05,090 --> 01:57:02,159
some point in the future

2883
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:05,100
you should not need an arrow if I'm

2884
01:57:09,470 --> 01:57:07,199
successful in what I'm doing we should

2885
01:57:11,810 --> 01:57:09,480
be able to normalize everything that

2886
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:11,820
we're doing into existing processes

2887
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:14,820
functions agencies and organizations and

2888
01:57:19,070 --> 01:57:16,560
make that part of their mission and

2889
01:57:22,910 --> 01:57:19,080
their role right now the niche that we

2890
01:57:25,310 --> 01:57:22,920
form is really going after the unknowns

2891
01:57:28,910 --> 01:57:25,320
if you you I think you articulated it

2892
01:57:30,890 --> 01:57:28,920
early on this is a Hunt mission for what

2893
01:57:33,050 --> 01:57:30,900
might somebody be doing in our backyard

2894
01:57:35,390 --> 01:57:33,060
that we don't know about

2895
01:57:37,850 --> 01:57:35,400
all right well that that that is what we

2896
01:57:39,649 --> 01:57:37,860
are doing right but at some point we

2897
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:39,659
should be able to normalize that that's

2898
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:41,520
why it's so important the work we're

2899
01:57:47,510 --> 01:57:43,679
doing with joint staff to normalize that

2900
01:57:49,910 --> 01:57:47,520
into Power DOD policy and guidance

2901
01:57:52,129 --> 01:57:49,920
we are bringing in all of our

2902
01:57:55,370 --> 01:57:52,139
interagency partners so NASA is

2903
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,380
providing a liaison for us I have FBI

2904
01:57:59,930 --> 01:57:58,080
liaison I have OSI or liaison I have

2905
01:58:03,169 --> 01:57:59,940
service Liaisons

2906
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:03,179
the ice half of my staff come from the

2907
01:58:07,010 --> 01:58:04,320
IC

2908
01:58:08,870 --> 01:58:07,020
half of my staff come from other

2909
01:58:11,870 --> 01:58:08,880
scientific and Technical backgrounds I

2910
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:11,880
have doe and so what we're trying to do

2911
01:58:18,169 --> 01:58:13,679
is Ensure

2912
01:58:20,990 --> 01:58:18,179
again as I make UAP into sap they get

2913
01:58:22,970 --> 01:58:21,000
handed off to the people that that is

2914
01:58:24,830 --> 01:58:22,980
their mission to go do

2915
01:58:27,050 --> 01:58:24,840
so that we aren't duplicating that I'm

2916
01:58:28,910 --> 01:58:27,060
not going to go chase the Chinese high

2917
01:58:31,310 --> 01:58:28,920
altitude balloon for example that's not

2918
01:58:33,890 --> 01:58:31,320
my job it's not an unknown and it's not

2919
01:58:38,689 --> 01:58:33,900
anomalous anymore now it goes over to

2920
01:58:42,050 --> 01:58:38,699
them I'm very good thank you madam chair

2921
01:58:43,910 --> 01:58:42,060
um I wanted just to follow up on the

2922
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:43,920
filters for surveillance outside

2923
01:58:48,830 --> 01:58:46,320
observers have speculated that DOD sets

2924
01:58:50,510 --> 01:58:48,840
filters on certain sensors to eliminate

2925
01:58:52,810 --> 01:58:50,520
objects that are moving really fast or

2926
01:58:55,010 --> 01:58:52,820
slow because what we are looking for

2927
01:58:58,250 --> 01:58:55,020
militarily are conventional aircraft and

2928
01:59:00,530 --> 01:58:58,260
missiles UAP that doesn't fit into these

2929
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:00,540
programs would thereby be weeded out and

2930
01:59:04,370 --> 01:59:02,880
never noticed the special speculation

2931
01:59:06,350 --> 01:59:04,380
was proven to be true during the UAP

2932
01:59:08,570 --> 01:59:06,360
incidents over North America where DOD

2933
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:08,580
publicly acknowledged that we were able

2934
01:59:12,910 --> 01:59:10,800
to start seeing these uops only when we

2935
01:59:15,169 --> 01:59:12,920
opened up these filters

2936
01:59:17,089 --> 01:59:15,179
obviously our military operators cannot

2937
01:59:19,129 --> 01:59:17,099
be overloaded with objects that are not

2938
01:59:20,870 --> 01:59:19,139
conventional aircraft or missiles can

2939
01:59:23,149 --> 01:59:20,880
you nonetheless make sure that the raw

2940
01:59:24,770 --> 01:59:23,159
data is being captured and subsequently

2941
01:59:27,410 --> 01:59:24,780
processed that your office knows what's

2942
01:59:28,970 --> 01:59:27,420
really out there and is that going to

2943
01:59:33,290 --> 01:59:28,980
cost money will you expect to pay for

2944
01:59:38,149 --> 01:59:35,750
one of the key tenants that we're trying

2945
01:59:40,370 --> 01:59:38,159
to do in our science plan is understand

2946
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:40,380
what those signatures are

2947
01:59:47,570 --> 01:59:44,159
so we get all the raw for example radar

2948
01:59:49,790 --> 01:59:47,580
data prior to the scrubbing and

2949
01:59:53,149 --> 01:59:49,800
filtering to allow it to enter into our

2950
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:53,159
weapon systems and our detection systems

2951
01:59:58,910 --> 01:59:56,159
we are now taking all that data and

2952
02:00:00,589 --> 01:59:58,920
cross-correlating it to what pilots are

2953
02:00:05,030 --> 02:00:00,599
saying they're seeing or other

2954
02:00:07,850 --> 02:00:05,040
observations from other operators

2955
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:07,860
what that allows us to do is then see if

2956
02:00:14,450 --> 02:00:10,560
there are any any signatures in that

2957
02:00:16,189 --> 02:00:14,460
data that I can pull out generate uh

2958
02:00:19,010 --> 02:00:16,199
what we'll call automatic Target

2959
02:00:21,709 --> 02:00:19,020
recognition algorithms that allow us to

2960
02:00:27,410 --> 02:00:21,719
then use that signature associated with

2961
02:00:29,570 --> 02:00:27,420
a observed UAP whatever that UAP may be

2962
02:00:32,750 --> 02:00:29,580
we will then make those recommendations

2963
02:00:34,669 --> 02:00:32,760
of what those changes should be back to

2964
02:00:38,450 --> 02:00:34,679
the department so the deputy secretary

2965
02:00:40,010 --> 02:00:38,460
asked me last October to make those

2966
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:40,020
recommendations what changes do we need

2967
02:00:46,490 --> 02:00:43,920
to make to Radars to uh platforms to

2968
02:00:48,589 --> 02:00:46,500
detection systems and algorithms to pull

2969
02:00:50,450 --> 02:00:48,599
on those those algorithms make those

2970
02:00:51,649 --> 02:00:50,460
changes that's going to take some time

2971
02:00:54,229 --> 02:00:51,659
that's where the research and

2972
02:00:56,870 --> 02:00:54,239
development comes in right it's not

2973
02:00:58,129 --> 02:00:56,880
it's not instantaneous right now a lot

2974
02:01:06,830 --> 02:00:58,139
of the

2975
02:01:09,709 --> 02:01:06,840
ranges of those filters have been

2976
02:01:11,750 --> 02:01:09,719
identified by people in the loop and you

2977
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:11,760
can't have people in the loop all the

2978
02:01:15,470 --> 02:01:13,920
time you can it's just not cost

2979
02:01:18,350 --> 02:01:15,480
effective

2980
02:01:20,810 --> 02:01:18,360
so part of our budget is working through

2981
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:20,820
what is what does that look like

2982
02:01:25,129 --> 02:01:22,560
and then making those recommendations

2983
02:01:30,169 --> 02:01:25,139
back to the big program offices for them

2984
02:01:33,410 --> 02:01:32,149
my last question is about the academic

2985
02:01:35,330 --> 02:01:33,420
Community

2986
02:01:36,830 --> 02:01:35,340
um can you give us an update on sort of

2987
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:36,840
how you collaborate with the academic

2988
02:01:41,930 --> 02:01:40,080
community and whether how the

2989
02:01:45,589 --> 02:01:41,940
independent study being done by NASA

2990
02:01:47,450 --> 02:01:45,599
complements arrows work sure

2991
02:01:49,570 --> 02:01:47,460
two questions so I'm going to try to

2992
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:49,580
make it quick the uh

2993
02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:51,360
1979

2994
02:01:57,770 --> 02:01:54,960
Carl Sagan said extraordinary claims

2995
02:01:59,689 --> 02:01:57,780
require extraordinary evidence

2996
02:02:00,430 --> 02:01:59,699
I would go one step further and I would

2997
02:02:02,870 --> 02:02:00,440
say

2998
02:02:04,669 --> 02:02:02,880
extraordinary claims require not only

2999
02:02:06,950 --> 02:02:04,679
extraordinary evidence but extraordinary

3000
02:02:09,410 --> 02:02:06,960
science and so how do you do that you do

3001
02:02:11,570 --> 02:02:09,420
that with the scientific method right

3002
02:02:15,229 --> 02:02:11,580
and so as arrow is developing and

3003
02:02:18,530 --> 02:02:15,239
implementing its science plan it has to

3004
02:02:20,990 --> 02:02:18,540
do so grounded in a solid foundation of

3005
02:02:23,209 --> 02:02:21,000
scientific theory across the entire

3006
02:02:26,570 --> 02:02:23,219
range of hypotheses

3007
02:02:28,850 --> 02:02:26,580
that have been presented for what UAP

3008
02:02:32,870 --> 02:02:28,860
are

3009
02:02:36,649 --> 02:02:32,880
that range spans adversary breakthrough

3010
02:02:39,169 --> 02:02:36,659
technology on one hand known objects and

3011
02:02:40,609 --> 02:02:39,179
phenomena in the middle all the way to

3012
02:02:42,410 --> 02:02:40,619
the extreme theories of

3013
02:02:46,910 --> 02:02:42,420
extraterrestrials

3014
02:02:48,709 --> 02:02:46,920
all of that has physics-based signatures

3015
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:48,719
associated with it whether it's

3016
02:02:54,410 --> 02:02:51,840
theoretical from the academic community

3017
02:02:55,629 --> 02:02:54,420
known from things like Hypersonic

3018
02:02:59,089 --> 02:02:55,639
weapons

3019
02:03:01,609 --> 02:02:59,099
or adversary breakthrough Technologies

3020
02:03:03,890 --> 02:03:01,619
as we've talked about before

3021
02:03:05,330 --> 02:03:03,900
the known objects that we have to go

3022
02:03:08,510 --> 02:03:05,340
measure

3023
02:03:12,169 --> 02:03:08,520
the idea is across that entire range you

3024
02:03:15,290 --> 02:03:12,179
have to come up with peer-reviewed

3025
02:03:17,750 --> 02:03:15,300
scientific basis for all of it the

3026
02:03:20,629 --> 02:03:17,760
academic Community plays a very big role

3027
02:03:22,490 --> 02:03:20,639
on the one end of the spectrum

3028
02:03:24,830 --> 02:03:22,500
the intelligence community on the other

3029
02:03:25,850 --> 02:03:24,840
end of the spectrum and then measurement

3030
02:03:29,149 --> 02:03:25,860
in the middle

3031
02:03:33,370 --> 02:03:29,159
once I have those signatures identified

3032
02:03:35,750 --> 02:03:33,380
in invalidated peer-reviewed

3033
02:03:37,910 --> 02:03:35,760
documents then I have something to point

3034
02:03:39,530 --> 02:03:37,920
to for all that data

3035
02:03:41,450 --> 02:03:39,540
because all that data is going to match

3036
02:03:43,729 --> 02:03:41,460
one of those signatures

3037
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:43,739
right and then I can go well it's that

3038
02:03:49,790 --> 02:03:46,800
and not that or it's that

3039
02:03:53,149 --> 02:03:49,800
and that helps us go through all that

3040
02:03:56,450 --> 02:03:53,159
where NASA comes in and and the the

3041
02:03:59,870 --> 02:03:56,460
study that they're doing which I'm

3042
02:04:05,209 --> 02:03:59,880
uh supporting is

3043
02:04:08,089 --> 02:04:05,219
really looking at the unclassified data

3044
02:04:11,089 --> 02:04:08,099
sources that might be used to augment

3045
02:04:13,129 --> 02:04:11,099
our classified data sources to

3046
02:04:15,470 --> 02:04:13,139
understand if there's a signature there

3047
02:04:18,890 --> 02:04:15,480
we can pull on so very similar to The

3048
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:18,900
Radars but

3049
02:04:23,689 --> 02:04:21,360
civil capabilities so for example we

3050
02:04:26,330 --> 02:04:23,699
have a lot of climate science satellites

3051
02:04:29,689 --> 02:04:26,340
for example that look at Earth

3052
02:04:32,689 --> 02:04:29,699
lots of them how many of those

3053
02:04:36,109 --> 02:04:32,699
is the data valuable

3054
02:04:39,410 --> 02:04:36,119
in seeing these kinds of objects

3055
02:04:42,229 --> 02:04:39,420
the challenge in that is those those

3056
02:04:44,149 --> 02:04:42,239
platforms don't necessarily have the

3057
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:44,159
resolution you need so if you remember

3058
02:04:48,890 --> 02:04:46,800
the slide I put up there with the trends

3059
02:04:51,890 --> 02:04:48,900
the size of the objects we're looking

3060
02:04:53,570 --> 02:04:51,900
for are typically reported to be one to

3061
02:04:55,790 --> 02:04:53,580
four meters

3062
02:04:59,149 --> 02:04:55,800
well the resolution of many of the

3063
02:05:01,669 --> 02:04:59,159
climate science civil science civil

3064
02:05:03,530 --> 02:05:01,679
satellites was much larger than that

3065
02:05:05,330 --> 02:05:03,540
which means you'd have a hard time

3066
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:05,340
picking out something that's smaller

3067
02:05:11,510 --> 02:05:08,880
than a pixel on the imagery on the data

3068
02:05:13,250 --> 02:05:11,520
that's not to say all of it's not useful

3069
02:05:14,990 --> 02:05:13,260
and there are ways of pulling through

3070
02:05:17,390 --> 02:05:15,000
that data and going through that is what

3071
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:17,400
NASA is focused on right now is what is

3072
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:19,920
what are some other data sources that

3073
02:05:25,970 --> 02:05:21,840
could be used in addition things like

3074
02:05:28,010 --> 02:05:25,980
open source and crowdsourcing of of data

3075
02:05:29,810 --> 02:05:28,020
we're exploring public-private

3076
02:05:31,490 --> 02:05:29,820
Partnerships ma'am as you know we've

3077
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:31,500
talked about in the past

3078
02:05:36,669 --> 02:05:35,040
to look at is there a way to

3079
02:05:39,169 --> 02:05:36,679
smartly

3080
02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:39,179
crowdsource additional data that might

3081
02:05:44,750 --> 02:05:40,800
be useful

3082
02:05:46,970 --> 02:05:44,760
to augment some of my classified sources

3083
02:05:48,530 --> 02:05:46,980
and what does that look like and how

3084
02:05:51,050 --> 02:05:48,540
would we do it so that we're not

3085
02:05:58,189 --> 02:05:51,060
overwhelmed by you know everybody who

3086
02:06:00,830 --> 02:05:59,930
like to tell the committee before we

3087
02:06:02,510 --> 02:06:00,840
close

3088
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:02,520
or do you have another round yeah do you

3089
02:06:05,330 --> 02:06:03,360
have anything else you'd like to tell

3090
02:06:07,490 --> 02:06:05,340
the committee before we close thank you

3091
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:07,500
very much for allowing us to come and

3092
02:06:11,450 --> 02:06:09,599
share a little bit of insight into what

3093
02:06:12,890 --> 02:06:11,460
arrow is up to and what we're doing I

3094
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:12,900
hope to be able to share a whole lot

3095
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:15,119
more in the future

3096
02:06:19,850 --> 02:06:17,520
um we have a lot of work to do so if you

3097
02:06:22,070 --> 02:06:19,860
don't hear from me outside it's because

3098
02:06:24,109 --> 02:06:22,080
we've got a lot of work to do

3099
02:06:33,850 --> 02:06:24,119
well thank you so much Dr Patrick thank

3100
02:06:38,930 --> 02:06:36,589
well there's a

3101
02:06:42,050 --> 02:06:38,940
a lot to tune

3102
02:06:44,209 --> 02:06:42,060
a lot to chew on yeah yeah a lot to chew

3103
02:06:46,910 --> 02:06:44,219
on I mean I think for for starters on

3104
02:06:49,450 --> 02:06:46,920
the positive side got a new UAP video

3105
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:49,460
that was a lot better than the last one

3106
02:06:56,450 --> 02:06:52,800
looks a lot like that mosul orb from

3107
02:06:58,250 --> 02:06:56,460
Jeremy Corbell the other thing is he he

3108
02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:58,260
said and I saw

3109
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:01,679
Stephen uh you smiling when he mentioned

3110
02:07:07,070 --> 02:07:04,800
the extra uh terrestrial hypothesis you

3111
02:07:08,990 --> 02:07:07,080
know and and that's a possibility so I

3112
02:07:11,930 --> 02:07:09,000
thought those were a couple good things

3113
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:11,940
Mr Bassett I know you have a lot of

3114
02:07:20,270 --> 02:07:17,330
let's hear him what do you got or Jay do

3115
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:27,649
talked a lot before let Jay go first

3116
02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:30,050
you need your microphones yeah

3117
02:07:34,430 --> 02:07:32,280
yeah

3118
02:07:36,350 --> 02:07:34,440
you gotta turn it on now

3119
02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:36,360
there's a lot to think about here there

3120
02:07:39,770 --> 02:07:37,920
we go there's a lot to think about here

3121
02:07:40,850 --> 02:07:39,780
right I mean I I was I'm sorry I was a

3122
02:07:42,589 --> 02:07:40,860
little flummoxed getting my thoughts

3123
02:07:45,050 --> 02:07:42,599
together here but it's it's

3124
02:07:47,570 --> 02:07:45,060
interesting okay like it's it's

3125
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:47,580
basically in some ways what I expected

3126
02:07:53,930 --> 02:07:50,159
and I think what many expected in terms

3127
02:07:55,970 --> 02:07:53,940
of we're listening to a we're listening

3128
02:07:57,890 --> 02:07:55,980
to Sean Kirkpatrick who is who is

3129
02:07:59,930 --> 02:07:57,900
trained in the art of not revealing more

3130
02:08:02,570 --> 02:07:59,940
information than he's supposed to right

3131
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:02,580
we're dealing with like essentially like

3132
02:08:12,050 --> 02:08:08,159
a DOD guy and and he's going to be and

3133
02:08:15,290 --> 02:08:12,060
his part of his whole job is to to act

3134
02:08:17,330 --> 02:08:15,300
as to be as nuts and bolts and

3135
02:08:18,890 --> 02:08:17,340
scientifically minded as possible and at

3136
02:08:20,149 --> 02:08:18,900
the same time you know towards the end

3137
02:08:22,129 --> 02:08:20,159
of the hearing he was like thanks for

3138
02:08:24,530 --> 02:08:22,139
those those nearly two dozens and

3139
02:08:27,649 --> 02:08:24,540
witnesses that you've sent me yada yada

3140
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:27,659
so you know there is some weight here

3141
02:08:31,729 --> 02:08:29,520
that's very interesting because like

3142
02:08:34,129 --> 02:08:31,739
some of the witnesses that we know of

3143
02:08:35,629 --> 02:08:34,139
like Mario Woods like Bob Solace like

3144
02:08:38,570 --> 02:08:35,639
others

3145
02:08:41,149 --> 02:08:38,580
um you know who you know he's crediting

3146
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:41,159
gillibrand essentially and those guys

3147
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:43,440
whoever whoever that Consortium is maybe

3148
02:08:48,350 --> 02:08:44,880
it's everybody that signed that letter

3149
02:08:51,290 --> 02:08:48,360
you know recently Marco Rubio Etc I'm

3150
02:08:53,209 --> 02:08:51,300
not sure but you know who is sending

3151
02:08:54,830 --> 02:08:53,219
those witnesses to him what's that

3152
02:08:58,490 --> 02:08:54,840
process like

3153
02:09:01,129 --> 02:08:58,500
you know what I mean and and why were

3154
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:01,139
none of those Witnesses

3155
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:04,320
um their testimonies and and their

3156
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:06,239
efforts and their histories you know

3157
02:09:12,050 --> 02:09:08,880
baked into that dry [\h__\h] chart that

3158
02:09:14,570 --> 02:09:12,060
that guy had right because like I'm

3159
02:09:15,530 --> 02:09:14,580
sorry but there's an element here where

3160
02:09:18,589 --> 02:09:15,540
we're still getting completely

3161
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:18,599
snowballed you know this is progress but

3162
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:20,880
from my perspective anyway I'm looking

3163
02:09:26,570 --> 02:09:23,760
at this as one step

3164
02:09:28,370 --> 02:09:26,580
in an interrogation process I'm

3165
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:28,380
listening to somebody gel brand and

3166
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:30,000
others who are looking at whether this

3167
02:09:34,430 --> 02:09:31,920
office can get properly funded however

3168
02:09:35,870 --> 02:09:34,440
at the same time we need to be thinking

3169
02:09:39,050 --> 02:09:35,880
in a bigger picture way where it's like

3170
02:09:42,109 --> 02:09:39,060
if we're focusing only through this guy

3171
02:09:44,209 --> 02:09:42,119
as owning the only flaming hoop that

3172
02:09:45,830 --> 02:09:44,219
information is going to go through he

3173
02:09:48,589 --> 02:09:45,840
has completely shown his cards as being

3174
02:09:50,930 --> 02:09:48,599
somebody that's going to obfuscate the

3175
02:09:52,669 --> 02:09:50,940
truth honestly that's my perspective

3176
02:09:54,410 --> 02:09:52,679
right now I mean I could be proven wrong

3177
02:09:57,470 --> 02:09:54,420
I'd be happy to be proven Wrong by

3178
02:09:59,930 --> 02:09:57,480
anybody but I don't I don't I don't buy

3179
02:10:02,089 --> 02:09:59,940
what this guy is telling me I get I buy

3180
02:10:04,189 --> 02:10:02,099
that he is a naturally maybe skeptical

3181
02:10:06,530 --> 02:10:04,199
person I get that

3182
02:10:09,649 --> 02:10:06,540
but you know like why would he do that

3183
02:10:11,450 --> 02:10:09,659
paper with Avi about you know the

3184
02:10:13,550 --> 02:10:11,460
possibilities of alien motherships and

3185
02:10:15,890 --> 02:10:13,560
things like this right like like he's

3186
02:10:19,129 --> 02:10:15,900
talking out of both sides of his mouth

3187
02:10:21,649 --> 02:10:19,139
with the two public statements that he's

3188
02:10:24,970 --> 02:10:21,659
really given us obvious paper and this

3189
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:24,980
hearing and that is a very very typical

3190
02:10:28,729 --> 02:10:27,119
perspective from somebody in a position

3191
02:10:31,250 --> 02:10:28,739
like him to talk out of both sides of

3192
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:31,260
his mouth but I think personally it's

3193
02:10:34,910 --> 02:10:32,639
kind of infuriating

3194
02:10:37,370 --> 02:10:34,920
and personally I think that this is one

3195
02:10:39,709 --> 02:10:37,380
step where we're basically listening to

3196
02:10:42,410 --> 02:10:39,719
to this guy's perspective and we're

3197
02:10:45,770 --> 02:10:42,420
waiting for we're basically trying to

3198
02:10:48,770 --> 02:10:45,780
box this kid into telling us where the F

3199
02:10:50,510 --> 02:10:48,780
he was when the when the graffiti showed

3200
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:50,520
up on the side of the building and

3201
02:10:55,310 --> 02:10:52,800
eventually we're going to figure out who

3202
02:10:58,070 --> 02:10:55,320
the culprit was how the graffiti got

3203
02:11:00,530 --> 02:10:58,080
there and like what's the history of

3204
02:11:02,450 --> 02:11:00,540
that event if that makes sense I'd love

3205
02:11:05,350 --> 02:11:02,460
to hear what Stephen and Sean have to

3206
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:07,129
well

3207
02:11:10,550 --> 02:11:08,159
um

3208
02:11:12,649 --> 02:11:10,560
I think again I talked a lot before let

3209
02:11:16,550 --> 02:11:12,659
Sean go next

3210
02:11:19,149 --> 02:11:16,560
sure well I mean I think uh straight

3211
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:22,490
it's kind of uh the a lot of it is the

3212
02:11:29,149 --> 02:11:25,920
the typical kind of DOD talk like if for

3213
02:11:31,850 --> 02:11:29,159
anyone who's watched my live stream

3214
02:11:33,709 --> 02:11:31,860
yesterday going through the the history

3215
02:11:36,350 --> 02:11:33,719
of the hearings here with the Air Force

3216
02:11:38,810 --> 02:11:36,360
you got the same stuff you got the same

3217
02:11:40,609 --> 02:11:38,820
stuff today for the most part the only

3218
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:40,619
but there are you know differences that

3219
02:11:45,589 --> 02:11:43,440
are worth mentioning which is him uh

3220
02:11:47,330 --> 02:11:45,599
mentioning the E.T possibility even

3221
02:11:49,669 --> 02:11:47,340
though that you know

3222
02:11:51,530 --> 02:11:49,679
um maybe you said extreme before it he

3223
02:11:53,870 --> 02:11:51,540
didn't throw it out they're just

3224
02:11:56,689 --> 02:11:53,880
focusing on anomalous stuff so

3225
02:11:58,070 --> 02:11:56,699
you know it's hard to take away much

3226
02:11:59,689 --> 02:11:58,080
from this kind of hearing where the

3227
02:12:01,370 --> 02:11:59,699
right questions weren't asked to get the

3228
02:12:02,930 --> 02:12:01,380
information that we would like to hear

3229
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:02,940
first of all when they mentioned the

3230
02:12:05,390 --> 02:12:04,560
Whistleblower stuff and how that's going

3231
02:12:09,050 --> 02:12:05,400
that would have been a perfect

3232
02:12:11,570 --> 02:12:09,060
opportunity to ask who at least are the

3233
02:12:14,270 --> 02:12:11,580
whistleblowers or you know

3234
02:12:16,189 --> 02:12:14,280
um confirming any information as far as

3235
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:16,199
you know what we know the whistleblowers

3236
02:12:20,089 --> 02:12:18,000
told them anything like that they just

3237
02:12:24,109 --> 02:12:20,099
moved right past it

3238
02:12:27,770 --> 02:12:24,119
um is he gonna be honest with us

3239
02:12:33,770 --> 02:12:31,010
it's hard to say if if you go with uh Mr

3240
02:12:36,050 --> 02:12:33,780
bassett's disclosure plan I I think uh

3241
02:12:38,629 --> 02:12:36,060
that he will be right or he'll be

3242
02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:42,229
so but it's hard to hard to say uh from

3243
02:12:49,629 --> 02:12:43,920
this I know he likes Rings he's got a

3244
02:12:54,169 --> 02:12:52,490
okay yeah I'm gonna give you some

3245
02:12:55,010 --> 02:12:54,179
thoughts here

3246
02:12:58,370 --> 02:12:55,020
um

3247
02:13:00,410 --> 02:12:58,380
uh I I made some notes for help me but

3248
02:13:02,089 --> 02:13:00,420
so this is not in a particular order but

3249
02:13:03,109 --> 02:13:02,099
first of all let me point out some

3250
02:13:04,490 --> 02:13:03,119
things that maybe some people didn't

3251
02:13:07,790 --> 02:13:04,500
think about first of all this is not a

3252
02:13:09,589 --> 02:13:07,800
hearing it's a formal briefing uh he did

3253
02:13:11,450 --> 02:13:09,599
not take an oath when he sat down you

3254
02:13:13,250 --> 02:13:11,460
may have noticed that and neither did

3255
02:13:16,490 --> 02:13:13,260
Moultrie or Bray when they sat down

3256
02:13:20,089 --> 02:13:16,500
before Carson's committee

3257
02:13:21,830 --> 02:13:20,099
this is a briefing I'm here as a sermon

3258
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:21,840
of the people in the government to tell

3259
02:13:25,970 --> 02:13:23,280
you what's going on

3260
02:13:29,990 --> 02:13:25,980
I'm not part of a more elaborate

3261
02:13:33,229 --> 02:13:30,000
uh and more significant process

3262
02:13:36,709 --> 02:13:33,239
of addressing a very important issue

3263
02:13:38,450 --> 02:13:36,719
that needs to be under oath because the

3264
02:13:41,510 --> 02:13:38,460
process is going to be viewed by a lot

3265
02:13:43,370 --> 02:13:41,520
of people and it's uh has great

3266
02:13:44,629 --> 02:13:43,380
implications or whatever there's any

3267
02:13:46,069 --> 02:13:44,639
number of reasons why people have to be

3268
02:13:49,250 --> 02:13:46,079
under but that's not the case it's a

3269
02:13:51,050 --> 02:13:49,260
briefing okay another point

3270
02:13:54,910 --> 02:13:51,060
not all the subcommittee members were

3271
02:13:57,770 --> 02:13:54,920
there or just three all right so again

3272
02:14:00,109 --> 02:13:57,780
briefing this is a proper hearing they'd

3273
02:14:02,510 --> 02:14:00,119
all be there I can assure you if he was

3274
02:14:05,149 --> 02:14:02,520
there and had to take an oath

3275
02:14:06,709 --> 02:14:05,159
to be there they would all be sitting

3276
02:14:08,209 --> 02:14:06,719
there but no this is a briefing they

3277
02:14:10,250 --> 02:14:08,219
don't all need to be there no problem

3278
02:14:11,209 --> 02:14:10,260
okay

3279
02:14:13,790 --> 02:14:11,219
um

3280
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:13,800
it was definitely noted that he used the

3281
02:14:17,629 --> 02:14:15,360
term extraterrestrial

3282
02:14:18,490 --> 02:14:17,639
be sure he does not have to say that

3283
02:14:21,470 --> 02:14:18,500
word

3284
02:14:22,729 --> 02:14:21,480
it's not necessary there's all kinds of

3285
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:22,739
ways that he could have answered those

3286
02:14:27,530 --> 02:14:24,960
questions and never mention it

3287
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:27,540
but he did and as far as I'm concerned

3288
02:14:33,709 --> 02:14:30,480
and that's happened before uh that's his

3289
02:14:36,350 --> 02:14:33,719
way of saying yeah I know

3290
02:14:39,169 --> 02:14:36,360
I'm aware uh I know you're what you're

3291
02:14:41,930 --> 02:14:39,179
interested in and so forth

3292
02:14:45,770 --> 02:14:43,430
I think the other thing I want to point

3293
02:14:46,970 --> 02:14:45,780
out is that

3294
02:14:49,129 --> 02:14:46,980
if you know anything about Blue Book

3295
02:14:51,229 --> 02:14:49,139
Arrow was not Blue Book it's not even

3296
02:14:53,629 --> 02:14:51,239
close to being Blue Book it's way beyond

3297
02:14:56,089 --> 02:14:53,639
that no I mean first of all blue book

3298
02:14:58,430 --> 02:14:56,099
like got in all their cases in their

3299
02:15:01,069 --> 02:14:58,440
protocol was to close as many as

3300
02:15:03,649 --> 02:15:01,079
possible no matter what calling them

3301
02:15:06,109 --> 02:15:03,659
balloons planes whatever there's a clear

3302
02:15:14,950 --> 02:15:06,119
difference as an arrow only deals with

3303
02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:18,169
agency program Blue Book was set up to

3304
02:15:22,790 --> 02:15:20,400
debunk the issue literally as part of

3305
02:15:26,089 --> 02:15:22,800
the truth embargo uh this doesn't have

3306
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:26,099
any of the indications of that

3307
02:15:29,689 --> 02:15:26,880
um

3308
02:15:32,770 --> 02:15:29,699
let's see uh I think it's very notable

3309
02:15:35,629 --> 02:15:32,780
that all three of the committee members

3310
02:15:38,089 --> 02:15:35,639
that elected to be there obviously jail

3311
02:15:39,709 --> 02:15:38,099
around was and and the ranking as it

3312
02:15:41,689 --> 02:15:39,719
happens but also the The Third Woman

3313
02:15:44,030 --> 02:15:41,699
these are all women

3314
02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:44,040
and the truth embargo

3315
02:15:49,310 --> 02:15:47,280
the the vast intelligence complex it was

3316
02:15:51,470 --> 02:15:49,320
created after World War II was a

3317
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:51,480
virtually totally male dominated

3318
02:15:54,830 --> 02:15:52,800
Enterprise

3319
02:15:57,470 --> 02:15:54,840
creating secrecy building underground

3320
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:57,480
facilities playing all those games that

3321
02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:00,239
is a male thing we love it we just we're

3322
02:16:04,069 --> 02:16:02,400
addicted to it we can't stop it does

3323
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:04,079
that mean that women are not in the

3324
02:16:07,910 --> 02:16:05,520
military that aren't being brought into

3325
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:07,920
higher level positions no that does not

3326
02:16:14,030 --> 02:16:10,800
mean that it simply means that I believe

3327
02:16:17,990 --> 02:16:14,040
women are far more uh how would you say

3328
02:16:19,790 --> 02:16:18,000
open to addressing the reforms needed to

3329
02:16:22,729 --> 02:16:19,800
fix the abuses of the military

3330
02:16:25,310 --> 02:16:22,739
intelligence complex far more open to

3331
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:25,320
the idea of transparency

3332
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:28,079
um and so forth and so I noted that all

3333
02:16:30,890 --> 02:16:29,040
right

3334
02:16:34,190 --> 02:16:30,900
another thing

3335
02:16:37,790 --> 02:16:34,200
um at some point it's the end is when

3336
02:16:43,070 --> 02:16:40,730
uh that's the most important

3337
02:16:45,830 --> 02:16:43,080
and what did we learn okay there are

3338
02:16:47,810 --> 02:16:45,840
witnesses right we learned that the the

3339
02:16:49,070 --> 02:16:47,820
apparently the Senate and I think the

3340
02:16:52,910 --> 02:16:49,080
house too

3341
02:16:55,969 --> 02:16:52,920
has actually referred witnesses to them

3342
02:16:58,009 --> 02:16:55,979
to for consideration okay

3343
02:16:59,810 --> 02:16:58,019
gee is it possible that many of the

3344
02:17:01,429 --> 02:16:59,820
witnesses that they referred to them are

3345
02:17:02,929 --> 02:17:01,439
the ones that Chris Mellon was bringing

3346
02:17:04,429 --> 02:17:02,939
up on the hill to do the private

3347
02:17:05,690 --> 02:17:04,439
briefings with member of a congress as

3348
02:17:08,450 --> 02:17:05,700
they decided whether to move forward

3349
02:17:10,849 --> 02:17:08,460
legislation I think so do we know who

3350
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:10,859
some of these are yes we do

3351
02:17:15,410 --> 02:17:13,439
so but here's something else and he's

3352
02:17:16,910 --> 02:17:15,420
going yes he's oh yeah of course we have

3353
02:17:18,530 --> 02:17:16,920
the witnesses and we're going to talk to

3354
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:18,540
them but a lot of people didn't think

3355
02:17:24,410 --> 02:17:20,880
for a minute wait a minute

3356
02:17:27,049 --> 02:17:24,420
some spherical object flying through a

3357
02:17:29,690 --> 02:17:27,059
video that they don't quite know what it

3358
02:17:31,730 --> 02:17:29,700
is and then another thing flying through

3359
02:17:34,429 --> 02:17:31,740
a video that when they do extensive

3360
02:17:36,469 --> 02:17:34,439
analysis on it maybe an airplane

3361
02:17:39,049 --> 02:17:36,479
and all of the other stuff that

3362
02:17:40,370 --> 02:17:39,059
fundamentally dominated his initial

3363
02:17:41,870 --> 02:17:40,380
presentation which is totally

3364
02:17:44,030 --> 02:17:41,880
appropriate and should have been

3365
02:17:46,810 --> 02:17:44,040
transparently revealed and set up long

3366
02:17:49,450 --> 02:17:46,820
ago dealing with things in the sky

3367
02:17:52,549 --> 02:17:49,460
what's going on there

3368
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:52,559
Witnesses are not orbs flying through

3369
02:17:59,089 --> 02:17:56,639
the sky Witnesses are not some thing

3370
02:18:01,009 --> 02:17:59,099
that light in the sky that people saw I

3371
02:18:03,530 --> 02:18:01,019
don't know what the hell it is

3372
02:18:05,030 --> 02:18:03,540
Witnesses are not that at all

3373
02:18:06,310 --> 02:18:05,040
you're not going to be running them

3374
02:18:08,690 --> 02:18:06,320
through some sort of I don't know

3375
02:18:10,429 --> 02:18:08,700
physics process where you determine

3376
02:18:12,530 --> 02:18:10,439
whether they're human or not human or

3377
02:18:14,810 --> 02:18:12,540
whatever the hell Witnesses are

3378
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:14,820
individuals working for the government

3379
02:18:20,509 --> 02:18:17,519
under oath in the military and elsewhere

3380
02:18:22,610 --> 02:18:20,519
that have seen things of extraordinary

3381
02:18:24,770 --> 02:18:22,620
implications

3382
02:18:27,530 --> 02:18:24,780
the shutting Downs of nuclear missiles

3383
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:27,540
is not an object in the sky it's 10

3384
02:18:32,410 --> 02:18:30,240
missiles that are separately maintained

3385
02:18:35,629 --> 02:18:32,420
and one of our most secret facilities

3386
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:35,639
defending the country being shut down in

3387
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:38,399
sequence and it's impossible and we have

3388
02:18:45,049 --> 02:18:42,000
sac-based officers that confirm it

3389
02:18:47,929 --> 02:18:45,059
who were there who were given the task

3390
02:18:50,690 --> 02:18:47,939
of turning them back on that is

3391
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:50,700
something else entirely

3392
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:53,599
that's truth embargo stuff now

3393
02:18:58,849 --> 02:18:56,399
so what are we taking from this

3394
02:19:00,830 --> 02:18:58,859
first they're doing everything they're

3395
02:19:02,690 --> 02:19:00,840
supposed to do they're setting up an

3396
02:19:05,629 --> 02:19:02,700
entity that is supposed to do all the

3397
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:05,639
things that we we sort of think they're

3398
02:19:08,929 --> 02:19:07,200
doing but now they're making it clear

3399
02:19:13,009 --> 02:19:08,939
they are doing

3400
02:19:15,650 --> 02:19:13,019
anything in the sky that is anomalous or

3401
02:19:17,209 --> 02:19:15,660
we have some concerns about we're going

3402
02:19:18,589 --> 02:19:17,219
to be checking that out we're going to

3403
02:19:20,990 --> 02:19:18,599
be reviewing it we're going to try to

3404
02:19:23,089 --> 02:19:21,000
run it to ground it is not Arrow's

3405
02:19:24,770 --> 02:19:23,099
decision to shoot in town it's not

3406
02:19:28,190 --> 02:19:24,780
Arrow's decision to defend the country

3407
02:19:29,929 --> 02:19:28,200
arrow is not NORAD period right so when

3408
02:19:32,270 --> 02:19:29,939
the balloons are turning up people well

3409
02:19:35,089 --> 02:19:32,280
where is Arrow what the hell where is

3410
02:19:36,650 --> 02:19:35,099
zero right arrow is an entity being set

3411
02:19:40,849 --> 02:19:36,660
up in the Pentagon that when the whole

3412
02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:40,859
shebang is done maybe some of the uh the

3413
02:19:46,669 --> 02:19:42,960
surveillance of stuff that took place

3414
02:19:48,830 --> 02:19:46,679
may be given to them if there is some

3415
02:19:49,670 --> 02:19:48,840
uncertainty is what the hell they shot

3416
02:19:53,330 --> 02:19:49,680
down

3417
02:19:55,849 --> 02:19:53,340
okay Arrow Also may be responsible for

3418
02:19:58,370 --> 02:19:55,859
considering how we filter and how we

3419
02:20:00,650 --> 02:19:58,380
analyze these kinds of things that falls

3420
02:20:02,690 --> 02:20:00,660
under its purview because it appears

3421
02:20:05,690 --> 02:20:02,700
that this is very significant

3422
02:20:07,670 --> 02:20:05,700
and they alluded to it but only to a

3423
02:20:10,730 --> 02:20:07,680
certain degree because remember this is

3424
02:20:12,290 --> 02:20:10,740
a process that needs to stay within the

3425
02:20:14,690 --> 02:20:12,300
lines

3426
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:14,700
that they have set up filters so that

3427
02:20:20,810 --> 02:20:18,479
the real ET stuff won't even show up I

3428
02:20:23,929 --> 02:20:20,820
mean if it's doing 20 000 miles an hour

3429
02:20:26,330 --> 02:20:23,939
We're filtering that out okay because we

3430
02:20:28,730 --> 02:20:26,340
know what it is we're not going to send

3431
02:20:30,170 --> 02:20:28,740
up an F-18 to try to shoot it down it's

3432
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:30,180
a waste of time

3433
02:20:34,610 --> 02:20:32,640
they wasted five hundred thousand dollar

3434
02:20:36,410 --> 02:20:34,620
Sidewinder on a balloon that they knew

3435
02:20:38,809 --> 02:20:36,420
exactly what it was a damn thing was a

3436
02:20:40,730 --> 02:20:38,819
Chinese balloon and it became known and

3437
02:20:43,130 --> 02:20:40,740
it was flying over air space which made

3438
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:43,140
it really a problem for the country and

3439
02:20:46,730 --> 02:20:45,120
very embarrassing and so just on that

3440
02:20:50,210 --> 02:20:46,740
basis alone I had to shoot the damn

3441
02:20:52,490 --> 02:20:50,220
thing down and film it right they might

3442
02:20:54,050 --> 02:20:52,500
have Let It Go except the Chinese and we

3443
02:20:56,150 --> 02:20:54,060
would have done the same thing said no

3444
02:20:58,250 --> 02:20:56,160
it's a weather balloon you've heard that

3445
02:21:00,590 --> 02:20:58,260
before and that irritated us and so we

3446
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:00,600
shot down their goddamn weather book

3447
02:21:06,530 --> 02:21:04,319
they don't shoot Sidewinders it Tic Tacs

3448
02:21:08,450 --> 02:21:06,540
you may recall there were a lot of them

3449
02:21:12,530 --> 02:21:08,460
hovering around the aircraft carrier

3450
02:21:14,990 --> 02:21:12,540
task force back in 2014 or four rather

3451
02:21:18,290 --> 02:21:15,000
they didn't shoot any sideliners why do

3452
02:21:20,330 --> 02:21:18,300
you think that was okay because they

3453
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:20,340
knew damn well it was a waste of time

3454
02:21:26,210 --> 02:21:22,800
and they weren't Chinese balloons so

3455
02:21:29,330 --> 02:21:26,220
again that is there if you look for it

3456
02:21:31,070 --> 02:21:29,340
and so what she has tipped off here is

3457
02:21:33,710 --> 02:21:31,080
that there is a whole separate thing

3458
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:33,720
going on with arrow besides setting up

3459
02:21:40,670 --> 02:21:36,720
all of the observational data analysis

3460
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:40,680
stuff which they already have

3461
02:21:47,450 --> 02:21:43,920
everything that era was doing our

3462
02:21:50,090 --> 02:21:47,460
government can already do and has done

3463
02:21:53,690 --> 02:21:50,100
it just has been doing it in an inward

3464
02:21:55,969 --> 02:21:53,700
facing fully classified way and now

3465
02:21:59,450 --> 02:21:55,979
under the circumstances of the last five

3466
02:22:01,610 --> 02:21:59,460
years it is having to recreate it in a

3467
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,620
public-facing way

3468
02:22:05,450 --> 02:22:03,359
in other words it becomes a mirror

3469
02:22:07,849 --> 02:22:05,460
essentially you know like you know what

3470
02:22:09,710 --> 02:22:07,859
I call it you got the inside you got the

3471
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:09,720
outside they didn't want to set up the

3472
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:11,520
public facing because to do that was

3473
02:22:15,889 --> 02:22:13,200
essentially to open the door to

3474
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:15,899
disclosure it did it get once you start

3475
02:22:19,370 --> 02:22:17,280
doing that you're guaranteeing

3476
02:22:22,010 --> 02:22:19,380
disclosure is going to happen Blue Book

3477
02:22:23,809 --> 02:22:22,020
was technically public facing but my God

3478
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:23,819
it's such a limited way it was

3479
02:22:28,429 --> 02:22:25,680
ridiculous and it was a fraud to begin

3480
02:22:30,349 --> 02:22:28,439
with this is neither of those things

3481
02:22:32,929 --> 02:22:30,359
all right and so

3482
02:22:36,349 --> 02:22:32,939
the equation that they are trying to

3483
02:22:40,130 --> 02:22:36,359
solve and I'm watching carefully for any

3484
02:22:42,830 --> 02:22:40,140
any hints as to how they're going to

3485
02:22:45,650 --> 02:22:42,840
solve it is this Arrow needs to continue

3486
02:22:47,990 --> 02:22:45,660
to be set up to do what is appropriate

3487
02:22:50,510 --> 02:22:48,000
and we expect an entity like that to do

3488
02:22:52,610 --> 02:22:50,520
and it takes some time and it takes some

3489
02:22:54,349 --> 02:22:52,620
money blah blah blah

3490
02:22:56,450 --> 02:22:54,359
you could technically be setting up

3491
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:56,460
arrow and expanding its capabilities and

3492
02:22:59,630 --> 02:22:58,319
adding technology to it for a hundred

3493
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:59,640
years

3494
02:23:03,410 --> 02:23:01,200
but obviously we're not going to settle

3495
02:23:04,790 --> 02:23:03,420
for that and so the question comes down

3496
02:23:09,170 --> 02:23:04,800
to

3497
02:23:12,530 --> 02:23:09,180
place

3498
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:12,540
so that people have become satisfied

3499
02:23:20,210 --> 02:23:15,920
that our government is legitimately now

3500
02:23:23,150 --> 02:23:20,220
willing to run down every unexplainable

3501
02:23:24,770 --> 02:23:23,160
event of the out there right

3502
02:23:26,450 --> 02:23:24,780
in other words if it's fully explainable

3503
02:23:28,250 --> 02:23:26,460
it's not going to get the arrow it's

3504
02:23:30,770 --> 02:23:28,260
only going to get the arrow if we don't

3505
02:23:32,450 --> 02:23:30,780
know quite what that is how much of that

3506
02:23:36,010 --> 02:23:32,460
has to happen before the witness

3507
02:23:38,570 --> 02:23:36,020
testimony begins

3508
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,580
and that's an interesting question again

3509
02:23:42,349 --> 02:23:40,319
you could delay it as long as you want

3510
02:23:44,750 --> 02:23:42,359
because arrow is a vast Enterprise it's

3511
02:23:46,490 --> 02:23:44,760
being set up and and it will continue to

3512
02:23:48,830 --> 02:23:46,500
be set up for years

3513
02:23:50,270 --> 02:23:48,840
but the disclosure process is something

3514
02:23:53,990 --> 02:23:50,280
else

3515
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:54,000
and so my thinking is that it's pretty

3516
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:56,160
well established and he has now come out

3517
02:24:00,349 --> 02:23:58,080
and described what's going on and

3518
02:24:01,670 --> 02:24:00,359
they've got nice slides and and they've

3519
02:24:03,050 --> 02:24:01,680
got structure and they're going to have

3520
02:24:05,630 --> 02:24:03,060
some funding

3521
02:24:08,030 --> 02:24:05,640
so if we started taking bringing some of

3522
02:24:09,710 --> 02:24:08,040
those Witnesses in to testify under oath

3523
02:24:13,389 --> 02:24:09,720
before the Intel committee about the

3524
02:24:20,809 --> 02:24:18,230
the equation is is arrow set up enough

3525
02:24:22,849 --> 02:24:20,819
that when that happens and people are

3526
02:24:25,309 --> 02:24:22,859
hearing that testimony

3527
02:24:29,210 --> 02:24:25,319
they're going to be going where in the

3528
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:29,220
hell was the arrow back then and why

3529
02:24:33,410 --> 02:24:31,680
wasn't that being given to them and the

3530
02:24:35,630 --> 02:24:33,420
answer is well we didn't have it back

3531
02:24:38,929 --> 02:24:35,640
then or what we had was fully classified

3532
02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:38,939
now we have an unclassified program to

3533
02:24:42,410 --> 02:24:40,319
look at this stuff

3534
02:24:44,750 --> 02:24:42,420
and uh

3535
02:24:46,670 --> 02:24:44,760
and that's all I mean in other words it

3536
02:24:49,969 --> 02:24:46,680
it just they just don't want it to be

3537
02:24:52,610 --> 02:24:49,979
too incongruous they want people to go

3538
02:24:54,770 --> 02:24:52,620
okay we've got our arrow and boy listen

3539
02:24:57,650 --> 02:24:54,780
to that testimony we just heard in front

3540
02:24:59,389 --> 02:24:57,660
of the senate committee it's not ideal

3541
02:25:01,429 --> 02:24:59,399
they're trying to create public

3542
02:25:03,950 --> 02:25:01,439
relations package that the people will

3543
02:25:06,950 --> 02:25:03,960
be comfortable with right that's about

3544
02:25:08,870 --> 02:25:06,960
the best they can do under these

3545
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:08,880
circumstances

3546
02:25:12,889 --> 02:25:11,040
um so

3547
02:25:15,770 --> 02:25:12,899
I'm watching to see how that equation

3548
02:25:16,490 --> 02:25:15,780
unfolds so clearly the Witnesses are

3549
02:25:20,450 --> 02:25:16,500
ready

3550
02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:20,460
that's that's the thing and then we have

3551
02:25:24,710 --> 02:25:23,040
a good amount of people talking in the

3552
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:24,720
community saying that that you know

3553
02:25:29,150 --> 02:25:27,359
they've been told people have uh you

3554
02:25:30,770 --> 02:25:29,160
know talked to Kirkpatrick about reverse

3555
02:25:32,030 --> 02:25:30,780
engineering stuff we have Solace other

3556
02:25:34,130 --> 02:25:32,040
people that said they've talked to

3557
02:25:36,469 --> 02:25:34,140
Kirkpatrick so how long can it really go

3558
02:25:38,690 --> 02:25:36,479
on before you know he develops

3559
02:25:41,570 --> 02:25:38,700
information on on what he's learned from

3560
02:25:43,070 --> 02:25:41,580
those people you know seeing as how it's

3561
02:25:44,270 --> 02:25:43,080
already kind of out in the public you

3562
02:25:45,530 --> 02:25:44,280
have to address that and I'm kind of

3563
02:25:48,290 --> 02:25:45,540
surprised they didn't when they had the

3564
02:25:50,570 --> 02:25:48,300
opportunity today and also do you think

3565
02:25:53,750 --> 02:25:50,580
uh Kirkpatrick

3566
02:25:57,349 --> 02:25:53,760
um already you know is he outright just

3567
02:26:00,590 --> 02:25:57,359
like um being an actor

3568
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:00,600
in this year or or does he genuinely not

3569
02:26:05,450 --> 02:26:03,840
know what he's dealing with no he knows

3570
02:26:08,510 --> 02:26:05,460
a hell of a lot more than he's going to

3571
02:26:10,370 --> 02:26:08,520
say he's not being an actor he is the

3572
02:26:12,410 --> 02:26:10,380
legitimate head of this project and he

3573
02:26:14,090 --> 02:26:12,420
is speaking to the aspects of the

3574
02:26:15,770 --> 02:26:14,100
project that are appropriating answering

3575
02:26:17,450 --> 02:26:15,780
the questions in an appropriate way and

3576
02:26:20,330 --> 02:26:17,460
telling us what he can tell us at this

3577
02:26:23,090 --> 02:26:20,340
time right nothing surprising about that

3578
02:26:25,610 --> 02:26:23,100
one way to look at it is a trial all

3579
02:26:27,349 --> 02:26:25,620
right there's this very big actually I

3580
02:26:29,090 --> 02:26:27,359
can think of one uh because it comes

3581
02:26:30,410 --> 02:26:29,100
from many years ago I watched it for

3582
02:26:32,030 --> 02:26:30,420
days but I don't want to bring it up

3583
02:26:34,010 --> 02:26:32,040
because it was so disgusting the point

3584
02:26:36,170 --> 02:26:34,020
is it's a big ass trial and there's

3585
02:26:38,389 --> 02:26:36,180
somebody out there for committing a

3586
02:26:40,070 --> 02:26:38,399
terrible crime and the audience is in

3587
02:26:40,969 --> 02:26:40,080
there and they're watching the thing go

3588
02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:40,979
on

3589
02:26:45,830 --> 02:26:44,399
and as we know trials in service to

3590
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:45,840
Justice

3591
02:26:50,210 --> 02:26:48,000
have to be conducted in a certain way

3592
02:26:52,510 --> 02:26:50,220
there are procedures and protocols and

3593
02:26:54,710 --> 02:26:52,520
you do things in a certain order

3594
02:26:56,030 --> 02:26:54,720
but there's people in that audience

3595
02:26:58,070 --> 02:26:56,040
sitting in the background they just want

3596
02:26:59,990 --> 02:26:58,080
to jump up out of their chair and scream

3597
02:27:03,309 --> 02:27:00,000
for God's sakes the son of a [\h__\h] is

3598
02:27:05,929 --> 02:27:03,319
guilty just convict them right right

3599
02:27:07,610 --> 02:27:05,939
still go through all this crap he's

3600
02:27:09,290 --> 02:27:07,620
guilty he's convicted and of course

3601
02:27:11,809 --> 02:27:09,300
they're going to be taken out of the uh

3602
02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:11,819
the courtroom are they not this is like

3603
02:27:17,030 --> 02:27:14,399
that there is a process underway

3604
02:27:20,150 --> 02:27:17,040
we want them to just jump right to it

3605
02:27:22,250 --> 02:27:20,160
because we don't have any skin in that

3606
02:27:25,190 --> 02:27:22,260
game in a way we're not a member of

3607
02:27:27,349 --> 02:27:25,200
Congress or the dod or any of the other

3608
02:27:28,849 --> 02:27:27,359
people associated with that this are

3609
02:27:30,590 --> 02:27:28,859
going to have their lives affected their

3610
02:27:32,330 --> 02:27:30,600
careers affected we're not going to

3611
02:27:34,130 --> 02:27:32,340
personally deal with the consequences of

3612
02:27:36,110 --> 02:27:34,140
this if it doesn't isn't done well in

3613
02:27:38,690 --> 02:27:36,120
terms of foreign policy and on and on

3614
02:27:40,969 --> 02:27:38,700
and on there's a big country they're

3615
02:27:42,770 --> 02:27:40,979
running and a big world they're dealing

3616
02:27:45,530 --> 02:27:42,780
with and this is the most important

3617
02:27:48,110 --> 02:27:45,540
issue in the world so don't be shocked

3618
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:48,120
if there is a process that they are

3619
02:27:53,389 --> 02:27:50,640
going to go through and stick with now

3620
02:27:56,389 --> 02:27:53,399
but those of us that are paying

3621
02:27:59,809 --> 02:27:56,399
attention I'm happy to pick out the odd

3622
02:28:02,210 --> 02:27:59,819
juicy tidbit and here's one right again

3623
02:28:04,130 --> 02:28:02,220
it's thirty thousand feet folks that's

3624
02:28:06,469 --> 02:28:04,140
where I'm hanging out all the time

3625
02:28:08,990 --> 02:28:06,479
actually it's worse than that I go up to

3626
02:28:11,030 --> 02:28:09,000
30 000 feet and I try to pretend I'm an

3627
02:28:12,230 --> 02:28:11,040
extraterrestrial watching all this to

3628
02:28:14,210 --> 02:28:12,240
get a sense of how they're they're

3629
02:28:15,710 --> 02:28:14,220
thinking about it that's where most uaps

3630
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:15,720
come through apparently we learned today

3631
02:28:19,190 --> 02:28:18,000
you notice that Bob Salas and some other

3632
02:28:20,570 --> 02:28:19,200
people mentioned that they have been

3633
02:28:22,670 --> 02:28:20,580
brought in as witnessed to be

3634
02:28:24,110 --> 02:28:22,680
interviewed mm-hmm why didn't they put

3635
02:28:24,969 --> 02:28:24,120
them under an NDA

3636
02:28:27,469 --> 02:28:24,979
yeah

3637
02:28:30,170 --> 02:28:27,479
he's like you know you were talking to

3638
02:28:32,030 --> 02:28:30,180
you now you you cannot discuss that you

3639
02:28:34,250 --> 02:28:32,040
have had any conversation with us you

3640
02:28:36,349 --> 02:28:34,260
can't discuss what you've told us they

3641
02:28:37,910 --> 02:28:36,359
didn't do it and as a result the

3642
02:28:39,830 --> 02:28:37,920
witnesses have gone on sign and said

3643
02:28:41,870 --> 02:28:39,840
we're being interviewed well they knew

3644
02:28:44,630 --> 02:28:41,880
you know you understand the consequences

3645
02:28:47,450 --> 02:28:44,640
of that right because to put them under

3646
02:28:49,610 --> 02:28:47,460
NDA would have undoubtedly not gone over

3647
02:28:52,010 --> 02:28:49,620
well not only with the witnesses but

3648
02:28:53,570 --> 02:28:52,020
with us and the process is moving along

3649
02:28:55,849 --> 02:28:53,580
in such a way that they're going okay

3650
02:28:58,429 --> 02:28:55,859
that's okay you know we know where this

3651
02:28:59,929 --> 02:28:58,439
is heading so let them talk about that

3652
02:29:02,750 --> 02:28:59,939
and and the other thing is that

3653
02:29:04,370 --> 02:29:02,760
Kirkpatrick is is is is is going to be a

3654
02:29:05,809 --> 02:29:04,380
focus of a lot of interest a lot of

3655
02:29:07,309 --> 02:29:05,819
attention he's going to be asked to do

3656
02:29:09,950 --> 02:29:07,319
this and that and speak and whatever

3657
02:29:12,349 --> 02:29:09,960
else and so if Kirkpatrick goes ahead

3658
02:29:13,670 --> 02:29:12,359
and participates with Abby Loeb in an

3659
02:29:16,730 --> 02:29:13,680
article

3660
02:29:19,070 --> 02:29:16,740
that's not violating his uh his his job

3661
02:29:20,929 --> 02:29:19,080
that's not uh you know speaking out of

3662
02:29:22,690 --> 02:29:20,939
two sides of his mouth to be you know

3663
02:29:25,929 --> 02:29:22,700
I'm not trying to be you know

3664
02:29:29,210 --> 02:29:25,939
you know I'm just trying to be

3665
02:29:32,690 --> 02:29:29,220
informative here uh that's him

3666
02:29:35,090 --> 02:29:32,700
participating with Avi love who was out

3667
02:29:38,030 --> 02:29:35,100
there as a as a as a chairman of the

3668
02:29:39,650 --> 02:29:38,040
physics department of Harvard uh and

3669
02:29:42,410 --> 02:29:39,660
while he's he's dealing with what I

3670
02:29:44,929 --> 02:29:42,420
consider a pretty safe play which is can

3671
02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:44,939
we find some examples of ET technology

3672
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:47,760
out there if we look in the right way uh

3673
02:29:51,469 --> 02:29:49,200
but I'll take it

3674
02:29:53,870 --> 02:29:51,479
you know he's he he's definitely not

3675
02:29:56,210 --> 02:29:53,880
John Mack but I'll take it and he's

3676
02:29:59,090 --> 02:29:56,220
adding gravitas and so he he does this

3677
02:30:02,210 --> 02:29:59,100
article with him which is fine he's it's

3678
02:30:05,270 --> 02:30:02,220
it's showing a willingness to interact

3679
02:30:07,130 --> 02:30:05,280
with the academic Community safe play

3680
02:30:11,210 --> 02:30:07,140
Given we're talking about the chairman

3681
02:30:14,270 --> 02:30:11,220
of Harvard astronomy uh but in the

3682
02:30:17,330 --> 02:30:14,280
article they mentioned the idea of

3683
02:30:19,670 --> 02:30:17,340
extraterrestrial probes so what John has

3684
02:30:22,490 --> 02:30:19,680
done is connect him once again to the

3685
02:30:24,050 --> 02:30:22,500
Extraterrestrial issue without screaming

3686
02:30:26,210 --> 02:30:24,060
into the top of his lungs in the middle

3687
02:30:30,349 --> 02:30:26,220
of a hearing so

3688
02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:30,359
as you watch it from my that perspective

3689
02:30:35,809 --> 02:30:33,600
you see how they are navigating this in

3690
02:30:37,910 --> 02:30:35,819
a way that they are serving the

3691
02:30:40,730 --> 02:30:37,920
essential things that have to be done in

3692
02:30:43,550 --> 02:30:40,740
such a situation while doing their best

3693
02:30:46,010 --> 02:30:43,560
to let us know that they're not idiots

3694
02:30:49,070 --> 02:30:46,020
they know how to read books they can

3695
02:30:51,170 --> 02:30:49,080
watch documentaries okay and they

3696
02:30:52,730 --> 02:30:51,180
probably know a lot more no they know a

3697
02:30:53,929 --> 02:30:52,740
lot more about this issue than they can

3698
02:30:56,090 --> 02:30:53,939
talk about

3699
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:56,100
and they probably are looking forward to

3700
02:31:01,929 --> 02:30:57,840
the day when they can sit down and say

3701
02:31:04,969 --> 02:31:01,939
ask me anything okay ask me anything

3702
02:31:07,610 --> 02:31:04,979
that day will kind of be coming all

3703
02:31:11,090 --> 02:31:07,620
right but we're going to have to go

3704
02:31:13,309 --> 02:31:11,100
through this process my concern is not

3705
02:31:15,230 --> 02:31:13,319
about the process that I see unfolding

3706
02:31:18,230 --> 02:31:15,240
my concern is whether Putin is going to

3707
02:31:20,270 --> 02:31:18,240
use a tactical mooc in Ukraine and if he

3708
02:31:23,210 --> 02:31:20,280
does that I assure you this thing is

3709
02:31:25,309 --> 02:31:23,220
going to be tabled all right my concern

3710
02:31:26,690 --> 02:31:25,319
is there going to be some even worse

3711
02:31:30,170 --> 02:31:26,700
political developments in the United

3712
02:31:32,990 --> 02:31:30,180
States so awful that this issue will be

3713
02:31:36,050 --> 02:31:33,000
tabled so I'm thinking along those lines

3714
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:36,060
that is what is it could most put at

3715
02:31:43,130 --> 02:31:39,359
risk uh this process continuing in a

3716
02:31:45,290 --> 02:31:43,140
timely way but barring that we're on a

3717
02:31:46,969 --> 02:31:45,300
relatively good Pace they have a very

3718
02:31:49,429 --> 02:31:46,979
simple decision

3719
02:31:52,849 --> 02:31:49,439
do you want to have this very

3720
02:31:55,550 --> 02:31:52,859
contentious difficult 2024 presidential

3721
02:31:57,230 --> 02:31:55,560
election which starts this fall in which

3722
02:31:58,550 --> 02:31:57,240
this whole issue of unidentified

3723
02:32:00,770 --> 02:31:58,560
phenomena and the possible

3724
02:32:03,050 --> 02:32:00,780
extraterrestrial presence is still kind

3725
02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:03,060
of hanging out in the air uh I don't

3726
02:32:07,730 --> 02:32:05,040
know yet we can't do this we can't do

3727
02:32:10,550 --> 02:32:07,740
that and the members of uh that are

3728
02:32:13,730 --> 02:32:10,560
running for president or for Senate or

3729
02:32:15,410 --> 02:32:13,740
the house are in a position where what

3730
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:15,420
do you do they can't all be Tim

3731
02:32:18,050 --> 02:32:16,800
Burchette they're going to be asked

3732
02:32:19,550 --> 02:32:18,060
about this what are they going to say

3733
02:32:21,290 --> 02:32:19,560
it's going to be a freaking nightmare

3734
02:32:23,389 --> 02:32:21,300
it's going to be ridiculous

3735
02:32:26,270 --> 02:32:23,399
on the other hand you're almost done

3736
02:32:28,730 --> 02:32:26,280
Chris on the other clip Jay almost in

3737
02:32:31,130 --> 02:32:28,740
the other hand if they can wrap it up

3738
02:32:33,650 --> 02:32:31,140
and get it done this summer

3739
02:32:36,530 --> 02:32:33,660
that every single candidate for

3740
02:32:38,330 --> 02:32:36,540
president for congress for Senate hell

3741
02:32:41,690 --> 02:32:38,340
for dog catcher

3742
02:32:43,250 --> 02:32:41,700
will be able to ask a question in a time

3743
02:32:46,849 --> 02:32:43,260
when the the the the

3744
02:32:49,550 --> 02:32:46,859
ET reality is fact so what uh candidates

3745
02:32:51,889 --> 02:32:49,560
so and so do you think about that well

3746
02:32:53,630 --> 02:32:51,899
I'm still getting up to speed on it I

3747
02:32:56,090 --> 02:32:53,640
recently read a fine book by Richard

3748
02:32:58,610 --> 02:32:56,100
Dolan shark guy by the way I may read

3749
02:33:00,950 --> 02:32:58,620
the second one soon also I'm becoming

3750
02:33:03,230 --> 02:33:00,960
kind of uh impressed by Stan Freeman

3751
02:33:05,330 --> 02:33:03,240
Works blah blah blah and they're

3752
02:33:06,770 --> 02:33:05,340
actually giving legitimate responses and

3753
02:33:09,410 --> 02:33:06,780
don't look like idiots

3754
02:33:11,389 --> 02:33:09,420
that's the decision they have to make

3755
02:33:13,910 --> 02:33:11,399
are we going to be able to address this

3756
02:33:15,830 --> 02:33:13,920
issue insanely and not look like idiots

3757
02:33:17,630 --> 02:33:15,840
or is this campaign which is already

3758
02:33:20,690 --> 02:33:17,640
going to be a fiasco in a lot of ways

3759
02:33:23,510 --> 02:33:20,700
going to be even worse because we just

3760
02:33:26,210 --> 02:33:23,520
can't pull the trigger on bringing in

3761
02:33:29,929 --> 02:33:26,220
the witnesses who under oath can

3762
02:33:33,170 --> 02:33:29,939
literally slam this thing down

3763
02:33:34,910 --> 02:33:33,180
right and end it right for all this is

3764
02:33:37,130 --> 02:33:34,920
the decision they're making that's what

3765
02:33:40,969 --> 02:33:37,140
I'm following and I'll be talking about

3766
02:33:42,889 --> 02:33:40,979
Ad nauseam for the next four months so

3767
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:42,899
along those lines Steve thank you so

3768
02:33:46,610 --> 02:33:44,640
much in terms of slamming it down and

3769
02:33:48,950 --> 02:33:46,620
you mentioned Timber shut you know I I

3770
02:33:52,910 --> 02:33:48,960
think there are some people that have

3771
02:33:56,090 --> 02:33:52,920
been anticipating the the

3772
02:33:58,010 --> 02:33:56,100
um uh the root the long rumored uh house

3773
02:34:00,830 --> 02:33:58,020
hearing that'll be kind of a follow-up

3774
02:34:03,530 --> 02:34:00,840
to this uh that supposedly that people

3775
02:34:05,809 --> 02:34:03,540
are looking at June uh for for a house

3776
02:34:08,030 --> 02:34:05,819
follow-up that Tim burchett may be

3777
02:34:09,190 --> 02:34:08,040
chairing or maybe very heavily involved

3778
02:34:11,990 --> 02:34:09,200
in

3779
02:34:14,870 --> 02:34:12,000
10 percent is not a chair of a committee

3780
02:34:15,950 --> 02:34:14,880
okay so he's like he's he's working on

3781
02:34:17,210 --> 02:34:15,960
it but he's going to be there but he's

3782
02:34:19,849 --> 02:34:17,220
not going to be chairing that committee

3783
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:19,859
okay if it's his committee but he's not

3784
02:34:23,870 --> 02:34:21,840
on a committee well at least one

3785
02:34:25,730 --> 02:34:23,880
committee that he might be on let's just

3786
02:34:28,849 --> 02:34:25,740
say that Tim doesn't need a committee

3787
02:34:31,010 --> 02:34:28,859
Tim is going to give him his his issues

3788
02:34:34,010 --> 02:34:31,020
out there probably more than anybody

3789
02:34:36,830 --> 02:34:34,020
else because he is unfettered he does

3790
02:34:39,650 --> 02:34:36,840
not have really any committee or entity

3791
02:34:42,469 --> 02:34:39,660
to answer to and he he's getting a lot

3792
02:34:44,809 --> 02:34:42,479
of great feedback on this and and I

3793
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:44,819
think the issue that I'm looking for is

3794
02:34:49,309 --> 02:34:47,520
who is the next Tim Burchette who is the

3795
02:34:51,590 --> 02:34:49,319
next member of Congress who doesn't sit

3796
02:34:53,929 --> 02:34:51,600
on some fancy dancing committee and

3797
02:34:55,610 --> 02:34:53,939
nobody knows who the hell they are that

3798
02:34:58,610 --> 02:34:55,620
goes wait a minute

3799
02:34:59,870 --> 02:34:58,620
I'm gonna go on MSNBC or Fox News and

3800
02:35:02,450 --> 02:34:59,880
I'm going to tell them what I think

3801
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:02,460
about this phenomena and I'm going to

3802
02:35:07,370 --> 02:35:04,560
get in the news and believe me they

3803
02:35:08,929 --> 02:35:07,380
think that way and so Jim is just the

3804
02:35:11,630 --> 02:35:08,939
beginning of what I consider to be a

3805
02:35:13,070 --> 02:35:11,640
rather interesting uh uh development

3806
02:35:14,809 --> 02:35:13,080
there in terms of how many members of

3807
02:35:17,809 --> 02:35:14,819
Congress are going to step into this to

3808
02:35:19,610 --> 02:35:17,819
be ahead of the game and and or and more

3809
02:35:21,230 --> 02:35:19,620
more Mike Gallaghers people like

3810
02:35:23,389 --> 02:35:21,240
bringing up Wilson Davis and things like

3811
02:35:26,270 --> 02:35:23,399
that absolutely I completely agree with

3812
02:35:29,690 --> 02:35:26,280
you do you think that this this the the

3813
02:35:32,389 --> 02:35:29,700
house hearing May provide the purported

3814
02:35:34,250 --> 02:35:32,399
house hearing may may provide an

3815
02:35:36,889 --> 02:35:34,260
interesting kind of like um

3816
02:35:38,510 --> 02:35:36,899
not necessarily good cop bad cop but we

3817
02:35:40,490 --> 02:35:38,520
might we might be looking at two

3818
02:35:43,610 --> 02:35:40,500
different sides of a coin that might be

3819
02:35:45,889 --> 02:35:43,620
kind of framing things contextually in a

3820
02:35:48,530 --> 02:35:45,899
broader way and do you think that the

3821
02:35:51,230 --> 02:35:48,540
ufology community might be have reason

3822
02:35:52,550 --> 02:35:51,240
to look forward to the house Committee

3823
02:35:54,610 --> 02:35:52,560
hearing more than what we heard from

3824
02:35:57,530 --> 02:35:54,620
Sean Kirkpatrick today

3825
02:35:59,510 --> 02:35:57,540
uh did Sean Kirkpatrick speak

3826
02:36:01,429 --> 02:35:59,520
specifically to a house hearing I didn't

3827
02:36:04,130 --> 02:36:01,439
notice that oh no no no no no I'm sorry

3828
02:36:07,070 --> 02:36:04,140
him speaking to the Senate subcommittee

3829
02:36:08,990 --> 02:36:07,080
today do you anticipate that the house

3830
02:36:12,110 --> 02:36:09,000
Committee hearing that will be upcoming

3831
02:36:14,690 --> 02:36:12,120
might be more the red meat that we're

3832
02:36:16,910 --> 02:36:14,700
looking for from the ufology kind of UAP

3833
02:36:18,469 --> 02:36:16,920
anomalous studies Community all right

3834
02:36:21,110 --> 02:36:18,479
well let me put it this way

3835
02:36:23,450 --> 02:36:21,120
uh I've already read enough you know you

3836
02:36:25,370 --> 02:36:23,460
know I have a huge article or a media

3837
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:25,380
article archive that I manage it's not

3838
02:36:30,530 --> 02:36:27,840
13 000 articles so I think now I've put

3839
02:36:32,090 --> 02:36:30,540
five I've linked 5 000 articles on this

3840
02:36:33,830 --> 02:36:32,100
subject I mean when I say the subject I

3841
02:36:36,650 --> 02:36:33,840
don't mean it's any UFC thing I mean

3842
02:36:38,150 --> 02:36:36,660
related to the Congressional stuff and

3843
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:38,160
the dod and all that kind of crap about

3844
02:36:43,610 --> 02:36:41,040
5000 articles since 2017. I read them

3845
02:36:45,650 --> 02:36:43,620
all okay so here's the deal

3846
02:36:48,050 --> 02:36:45,660
it's not going to be like the house is

3847
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:48,060
going to have a different version of the

3848
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:49,200
phenomena

3849
02:36:53,090 --> 02:36:51,600
this this is already turning into a

3850
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:53,100
competition between the house and the

3851
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:54,479
Senate there have been several

3852
02:36:58,130 --> 02:36:55,920
statements by members in the house

3853
02:37:00,950 --> 02:36:58,140
basically that like we need to have a

3854
02:37:03,290 --> 02:37:00,960
hearing right now they had a

3855
02:37:04,130 --> 02:37:03,300
subcommittee hearing under Carson okay

3856
02:37:05,510 --> 02:37:04,140
fine

3857
02:37:06,530 --> 02:37:05,520
that's it

3858
02:37:09,910 --> 02:37:06,540
all right

3859
02:37:15,950 --> 02:37:14,150
well essentially two Senate hearings in

3860
02:37:18,110 --> 02:37:15,960
two different committees

3861
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:18,120
all right

3862
02:37:22,010 --> 02:37:18,960
um

3863
02:37:23,570 --> 02:37:22,020
and both no I'm sorry I'm sorry there

3864
02:37:26,030 --> 02:37:23,580
has been a house Committee in a

3865
02:37:27,590 --> 02:37:26,040
subcommittee and that was Andrea Carson

3866
02:37:30,410 --> 02:37:27,600
subcommittee and now there's been a

3867
02:37:33,010 --> 02:37:30,420
senate Hearing in a subcommittee all

3868
02:37:36,590 --> 02:37:33,020
right so there there it's they're even

3869
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,600
it's one to one but gilabrand managed to

3870
02:37:41,870 --> 02:37:38,880
get something off uh on the issue with

3871
02:37:43,730 --> 02:37:41,880
that May 28 Hearing in front of her that

3872
02:37:45,830 --> 02:37:43,740
same subcommittee but with Austin

3873
02:37:49,309 --> 02:37:45,840
present

3874
02:37:51,050 --> 02:37:49,319
so but clearly the major legislation was

3875
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:51,060
put together by gillibrand Warner and

3876
02:37:55,490 --> 02:37:54,240
and Rubio now Diego got involved out of

3877
02:37:57,650 --> 02:37:55,500
the house in terms of some of the

3878
02:38:00,370 --> 02:37:57,660
language which is good and Gallagher got

3879
02:38:04,010 --> 02:38:00,380
some shots in there but let's be clear

3880
02:38:05,690 --> 02:38:04,020
these two houses of Congress are very

3881
02:38:09,770 --> 02:38:05,700
very competitive

3882
02:38:10,910 --> 02:38:09,780
right they have equal roles in

3883
02:38:13,250 --> 02:38:10,920
legislation

3884
02:38:15,290 --> 02:38:13,260
the build has to clear the house and the

3885
02:38:17,990 --> 02:38:15,300
Senate be reconciled and signed by the

3886
02:38:20,510 --> 02:38:18,000
president and so the idea that one of

3887
02:38:22,610 --> 02:38:20,520
these houses of Congress is going to

3888
02:38:24,230 --> 02:38:22,620
dominate what is the most important

3889
02:38:28,309 --> 02:38:24,240
issue in the history of the human race

3890
02:38:30,349 --> 02:38:28,319
is not going to go well and so the house

3891
02:38:31,610 --> 02:38:30,359
which may be playing a little catch up

3892
02:38:33,710 --> 02:38:31,620
here

3893
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:33,720
is going to assert itself

3894
02:38:37,849 --> 02:38:35,760
and you're going to be competition

3895
02:38:39,830 --> 02:38:37,859
between

3896
02:38:42,830 --> 02:38:39,840
who can hold

3897
02:38:45,530 --> 02:38:42,840
the more hearings than the other

3898
02:38:47,690 --> 02:38:45,540
which of the stronger committees can

3899
02:38:50,750 --> 02:38:47,700
hold the hearing for instance

3900
02:38:52,670 --> 02:38:50,760
gillibrand is uh you know it shares a

3901
02:38:55,849 --> 02:38:52,680
subcommittee of the Senate armed

3902
02:38:57,590 --> 02:38:55,859
services committee now if I'm the armed

3903
02:39:00,170 --> 02:38:57,600
services committee chair in the house

3904
02:39:03,050 --> 02:39:00,180
whose name I don't happen to have handy

3905
02:39:05,630 --> 02:39:03,060
I'm going hmm

3906
02:39:08,330 --> 02:39:05,640
why don't we hold one in front of the

3907
02:39:11,270 --> 02:39:08,340
house armed services committee not a

3908
02:39:13,010 --> 02:39:11,280
subcommittee right

3909
02:39:15,050 --> 02:39:13,020
why is this important

3910
02:39:18,110 --> 02:39:15,060
do you know how many members of Congress

3911
02:39:20,090 --> 02:39:18,120
made their bones got their historical

3912
02:39:21,830 --> 02:39:20,100
Legacy and advanced their careers

3913
02:39:23,690 --> 02:39:21,840
because they were involved in major

3914
02:39:26,389 --> 02:39:23,700
hearings before the United States

3915
02:39:30,250 --> 02:39:26,399
whether it was the McCarthy hearings or

3916
02:39:32,630 --> 02:39:30,260
the Iran-Contra hearings or the uh uh

3917
02:39:35,570 --> 02:39:32,640
well there have been a lot of partisan

3918
02:39:37,490 --> 02:39:35,580
hearings uh and and of course the

3919
02:39:39,170 --> 02:39:37,500
Watergate hearings and on and on and he

3920
02:39:41,530 --> 02:39:39,180
literally made them all right this is

3921
02:39:45,230 --> 02:39:41,540
where you you have millions of people

3922
02:39:47,150 --> 02:39:45,240
watching you literally do your job and

3923
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:47,160
that's why you see them posture so much

3924
02:39:51,770 --> 02:39:48,720
that's why they see them go throughout

3925
02:39:55,070 --> 02:39:51,780
nonsense this hasn't changed

3926
02:39:57,530 --> 02:39:55,080
and so right now for the last five years

3927
02:39:59,809 --> 02:39:57,540
it has been slowly Dawning on more and

3928
02:40:01,010 --> 02:39:59,819
more members of Congress who are some of

3929
02:40:03,469 --> 02:40:01,020
who are committee chairs and

3930
02:40:05,809 --> 02:40:03,479
subcommittee chairs the biggest event in

3931
02:40:08,750 --> 02:40:05,819
human history is taking place

3932
02:40:10,790 --> 02:40:08,760
am I going to sit it out am I going to

3933
02:40:12,889 --> 02:40:10,800
let my colleagues kind of get all the

3934
02:40:15,469 --> 02:40:12,899
glory is my committee going to be a

3935
02:40:17,030 --> 02:40:15,479
potted plant is this just the Intel

3936
02:40:18,530 --> 02:40:17,040
Committee in the sentence role because

3937
02:40:20,809 --> 02:40:18,540
they're so freaking powerful and

3938
02:40:23,030 --> 02:40:20,819
bipartisan this is all going through

3939
02:40:25,790 --> 02:40:23,040
their head and it won't be long before

3940
02:40:28,610 --> 02:40:25,800
you're literally going to see them vying

3941
02:40:30,349 --> 02:40:28,620
for public attention all right and so

3942
02:40:35,150 --> 02:40:30,359
the question is

3943
02:40:36,590 --> 02:40:35,160
what's the next committee to make a move

3944
02:40:39,290 --> 02:40:36,600
now there's been talk about a house

3945
02:40:40,429 --> 02:40:39,300
committee but nothing specific yet all

3946
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:40,439
right

3947
02:40:45,590 --> 02:40:42,479
um but there's going to be more of that

3948
02:40:48,410 --> 02:40:45,600
and that is fine however it can't become

3949
02:40:50,270 --> 02:40:48,420
a circus in other words it's appropriate

3950
02:40:52,790 --> 02:40:50,280
for the Intel committees and the armed

3951
02:40:55,130 --> 02:40:52,800
services committees to lead in this the

3952
02:40:56,690 --> 02:40:55,140
agricultural committee not so much and

3953
02:40:59,030 --> 02:40:56,700
so there's committees are in the gray

3954
02:41:02,510 --> 02:40:59,040
area where they kind of have a national

3955
02:41:05,270 --> 02:41:02,520
security role but it's not that big

3956
02:41:07,730 --> 02:41:05,280
now to the extent that people who are

3957
02:41:10,250 --> 02:41:07,740
trying to force themselves to the front

3958
02:41:12,469 --> 02:41:10,260
of the of the photograph

3959
02:41:14,809 --> 02:41:12,479
who really shouldn't be doing it there

3960
02:41:16,550 --> 02:41:14,819
are internal ways that that can be dealt

3961
02:41:18,110 --> 02:41:16,560
with peer pressure and so forth meaning

3962
02:41:21,230 --> 02:41:18,120
look

3963
02:41:23,570 --> 02:41:21,240
know your place all right don't go there

3964
02:41:26,210 --> 02:41:23,580
would be a mistake and so there there

3965
02:41:31,309 --> 02:41:26,220
will be a certain amount of that clearly

3966
02:41:34,190 --> 02:41:31,319
right now nobody is is is is containing

3967
02:41:37,790 --> 02:41:34,200
Tim Burchette he is the absolute Wild

3968
02:41:40,849 --> 02:41:37,800
Card uh and and I love them for this but

3969
02:41:43,849 --> 02:41:40,859
we can't have too much of that okay but

3970
02:41:46,010 --> 02:41:43,859
it's nice to have some of that right

3971
02:41:47,690 --> 02:41:46,020
because it's a message to the rest of

3972
02:41:49,849 --> 02:41:47,700
the Congress look if you want this to be

3973
02:41:51,770 --> 02:41:49,859
an orderly process if you want it to be

3974
02:41:54,349 --> 02:41:51,780
done in the best way if you wanted to

3975
02:41:57,889 --> 02:41:54,359
have the most the most beneficial public

3976
02:42:00,050 --> 02:41:57,899
relations outcome get on with it because

3977
02:42:02,450 --> 02:42:00,060
the 10 burchettes of the Congress are

3978
02:42:04,849 --> 02:42:02,460
not going to just sit there right when

3979
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:04,859
they know the kind of Express they can

3980
02:42:10,010 --> 02:42:08,399
get while you dawdled on this no you

3981
02:42:12,110 --> 02:42:10,020
know it's going to be so hard I'm doing

3982
02:42:14,270 --> 02:42:12,120
I'm doing my billboard Bill Burr stuff

3983
02:42:16,070 --> 02:42:14,280
now it's gonna be so hard how can we

3984
02:42:18,170 --> 02:42:16,080
deal with this I

3985
02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:18,180
no

3986
02:42:22,910 --> 02:42:19,920
I'll be sending that message I love him

3987
02:42:25,250 --> 02:42:22,920
for that okay and so that's about the

3988
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:25,260
most I can say about this other than

3989
02:42:30,710 --> 02:42:27,359
there will be more hearings but I'm only

3990
02:42:32,450 --> 02:42:30,720
interested in one the only one that I am

3991
02:42:35,870 --> 02:42:32,460
interested in that's really going to

3992
02:42:38,330 --> 02:42:35,880
shape the tree is this it will not 80

3993
02:42:40,309 --> 02:42:38,340
percent be the Senate Intel

3994
02:42:42,110 --> 02:42:40,319
not the Senate armed services but the

3995
02:42:44,090 --> 02:42:42,120
Senate Intel committee

3996
02:42:45,770 --> 02:42:44,100
for a number of reasons not the least of

3997
02:42:47,630 --> 02:42:45,780
which they have the broadest range of

3998
02:42:49,790 --> 02:42:47,640
what we'll call classifying capabilities

3999
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:49,800
all right they can do the classified

4000
02:42:53,030 --> 02:42:51,840
hearing a semi-classified hearing in

4001
02:42:54,410 --> 02:42:53,040
this gift here in the on the moon

4002
02:42:57,469 --> 02:42:54,420
hearing whatever the hell they got to do

4003
02:42:59,750 --> 02:42:57,479
right and so

4004
02:43:01,429 --> 02:42:59,760
the Senate Intel committee is going to

4005
02:43:02,990 --> 02:43:01,439
be the committee that's going to put out

4006
02:43:05,929 --> 02:43:03,000
the announcement

4007
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:05,939
that a hearing is going to be held on

4008
02:43:10,010 --> 02:43:08,399
such and such a day before this

4009
02:43:13,010 --> 02:43:10,020
committee

4010
02:43:16,730 --> 02:43:13,020
in which we're going to hear

4011
02:43:19,610 --> 02:43:16,740
from pilots and sac-based officers about

4012
02:43:21,230 --> 02:43:19,620
their experiences with this phenomena

4013
02:43:24,110 --> 02:43:21,240
in whatever way

4014
02:43:26,570 --> 02:43:24,120
that it has happened and they will

4015
02:43:29,330 --> 02:43:26,580
testify under oath and we will try to

4016
02:43:30,849 --> 02:43:29,340
get and learn as much as possible and we

4017
02:43:33,590 --> 02:43:30,859
will do it

4018
02:43:35,150 --> 02:43:33,600
transparently in front of cameras

4019
02:43:37,130 --> 02:43:35,160
however

4020
02:43:40,670 --> 02:43:37,140
and this is this is one of the nice

4021
02:43:46,610 --> 02:43:42,710
every witness that sits down in front of

4022
02:43:49,370 --> 02:43:46,620
that committee and takes that oath nose

4023
02:43:52,130 --> 02:43:49,380
that one they had better not lie

4024
02:43:54,650 --> 02:43:52,140
and if they do they're screwed and two

4025
02:43:55,910 --> 02:43:54,660
they don't have to lie now what do I

4026
02:43:57,650 --> 02:43:55,920
mean by that

4027
02:44:01,790 --> 02:43:57,660
if I'm sitting there

4028
02:44:04,550 --> 02:44:01,800
and some member asked me uh captain

4029
02:44:06,889 --> 02:44:04,560
with respect to what you were doing at

4030
02:44:09,170 --> 02:44:06,899
the uh the um the exact phase on it blah

4031
02:44:10,730 --> 02:44:09,180
blah blah blah and then something else

4032
02:44:12,590 --> 02:44:10,740
happened and what can you tell us about

4033
02:44:14,570 --> 02:44:12,600
that

4034
02:44:17,510 --> 02:44:14,580
if I can't

4035
02:44:20,270 --> 02:44:17,520
say anything about it I will simply say

4036
02:44:21,530 --> 02:44:20,280
to the committee uh member

4037
02:44:24,290 --> 02:44:21,540
senator

4038
02:44:27,170 --> 02:44:24,300
I'm unable to speak about that in the

4039
02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:27,180
public forum but all I will be happy to

4040
02:44:33,469 --> 02:44:30,720
answer that question in classified in a

4041
02:44:35,929 --> 02:44:33,479
classified private setting they all know

4042
02:44:37,190 --> 02:44:35,939
that now they would like to minimize

4043
02:44:39,170 --> 02:44:37,200
that that's one of the reasons they do

4044
02:44:40,670 --> 02:44:39,180
these pre-interviews they don't want to

4045
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:40,680
put them in a position where they can

4046
02:44:43,030 --> 02:44:42,240
say that they want to get that

4047
02:44:45,849 --> 02:44:43,040
information

4048
02:44:49,190 --> 02:44:45,859
preferably ahead of time in classified

4049
02:44:51,290 --> 02:44:49,200
briefings also under oath so they know

4050
02:44:53,090 --> 02:44:51,300
where to go and where not to go but they

4051
02:44:55,550 --> 02:44:53,100
have the right to ask anything they want

4052
02:44:58,010 --> 02:44:55,560
and as if I'm one of those Witnesses it

4053
02:45:01,250 --> 02:44:58,020
helps me to know that I am not going to

4054
02:45:03,349 --> 02:45:01,260
have to lie all I have to say is now if

4055
02:45:06,170 --> 02:45:03,359
I say I'm taking the fifth well that's

4056
02:45:08,150 --> 02:45:06,180
that's bad that that's that good you

4057
02:45:10,429 --> 02:45:08,160
don't want to do that but I don't have

4058
02:45:11,750 --> 02:45:10,439
to lie and the public is going to be

4059
02:45:13,670 --> 02:45:11,760
fine with that because they're going to

4060
02:45:15,830 --> 02:45:13,680
be getting plenty of Juicy information

4061
02:45:18,410 --> 02:45:15,840
that's gonna you know oh my God this is

4062
02:45:20,330 --> 02:45:18,420
amazing and so if something has to go to

4063
02:45:24,770 --> 02:45:20,340
the classified setting

4064
02:45:27,710 --> 02:45:24,780
no big deal and I'm sure somebody

4065
02:45:28,910 --> 02:45:27,720
will appropriately say if questioned by

4066
02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:28,920
the Press

4067
02:45:35,450 --> 02:45:32,160
that what we are learning in classified

4068
02:45:38,030 --> 02:45:35,460
meetings with these same witnesses will

4069
02:45:41,630 --> 02:45:38,040
be brought to the Public's attention

4070
02:45:44,090 --> 02:45:41,640
when it is appropriate to do so right

4071
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:44,100
with respect to National Security that

4072
02:45:48,950 --> 02:45:47,040
we're not burying this that we need to

4073
02:45:50,750 --> 02:45:48,960
know this but you're getting a lot of

4074
02:45:52,849 --> 02:45:50,760
this information and there'll be more

4075
02:45:55,730 --> 02:45:52,859
that we might be able to tell you as

4076
02:45:56,990 --> 02:45:55,740
certain things can be Declassified as we

4077
02:46:00,830 --> 02:45:57,000
move into what I call the

4078
02:46:04,130 --> 02:46:00,840
post-disclosure declassification uh uh

4079
02:46:07,490 --> 02:46:04,140
what I call it deflation right where

4080
02:46:09,710 --> 02:46:07,500
they start to shrink the totality of

4081
02:46:11,630 --> 02:46:09,720
everything they have filled you know

4082
02:46:14,809 --> 02:46:11,640
that hole with which is pretty much

4083
02:46:16,910 --> 02:46:14,819
everything so that that is how that's

4084
02:46:18,590 --> 02:46:16,920
what I'm looking for when you hear that

4085
02:46:20,990 --> 02:46:18,600
announcement from the Intel Committee

4086
02:46:23,630 --> 02:46:21,000
just set your calendar and start

4087
02:46:25,490 --> 02:46:23,640
counting the days until President Biden

4088
02:46:29,210 --> 02:46:25,500
finally says yep

4089
02:46:35,929 --> 02:46:32,750
well that's beautiful Mr Bassett I had a

4090
02:46:38,770 --> 02:46:35,939
really great time with you guys today

4091
02:46:42,050 --> 02:46:38,780
um I should probably get to the office

4092
02:46:44,389 --> 02:46:42,060
and and do things unpaid for if that's

4093
02:46:46,010 --> 02:46:44,399
okay with you guys but I had a great

4094
02:46:48,889 --> 02:46:46,020
time with you guys doing this and thank

4095
02:46:50,710 --> 02:46:48,899
you so much you have a paid job wow oh

4096
02:46:56,270 --> 02:46:50,720
yeah

4097
02:46:57,950 --> 02:46:56,280
the second one in all of ufology but uh

4098
02:47:01,610 --> 02:46:57,960
we're proud of them we're proud of them

4099
02:47:04,610 --> 02:47:01,620
hey guys look uh let me mention Jay and

4100
02:47:06,770 --> 02:47:04,620
I I know I hope you'll be there Sean but

4101
02:47:08,450 --> 02:47:06,780
Jay and I are going to be speaking at

4102
02:47:11,270 --> 02:47:08,460
the contact in the desert conference

4103
02:47:12,770 --> 02:47:11,280
coming on June two through four and A

4104
02:47:14,210 --> 02:47:12,780
lot's gonna happen between now and then

4105
02:47:16,250 --> 02:47:14,220
and I think this is going to be a

4106
02:47:19,150 --> 02:47:16,260
massive conference uh in terms of it's

4107
02:47:22,550 --> 02:47:19,160
just excitement uh there's 60 speakers

4108
02:47:23,809 --> 02:47:22,560
uh boy if anyone can get there for this

4109
02:47:26,469 --> 02:47:23,819
event

4110
02:47:28,969 --> 02:47:26,479
um please consider coming

4111
02:47:31,490 --> 02:47:28,979
and I'm happy to talk with you if you if

4112
02:47:32,690 --> 02:47:31,500
you show up are you going to be able to

4113
02:47:35,150 --> 02:47:32,700
come Sean or are you going to be too

4114
02:47:37,370 --> 02:47:35,160
busy making money uh probably too busy

4115
02:47:39,530 --> 02:47:37,380
trying to make money but if I do come

4116
02:47:43,910 --> 02:47:39,540
can I stay with you

4117
02:47:45,650 --> 02:47:43,920
hey uh you know I would snap off a yes

4118
02:47:50,469 --> 02:47:45,660
there but I've already got like four

4119
02:47:56,690 --> 02:47:52,849
I'm gonna have to make a decision there

4120
02:47:59,090 --> 02:47:56,700
pretty soon but uh any other way that I

4121
02:48:01,010 --> 02:47:59,100
can Sean hey it's it's one of the only

4122
02:48:03,070 --> 02:48:01,020
conferences that has a swimming pool I

4123
02:48:05,570 --> 02:48:03,080
mean come on it's going to be a blast

4124
02:48:06,770 --> 02:48:05,580
all right that's right yeah we're gonna

4125
02:48:08,510 --> 02:48:06,780
have a great time I look forward to

4126
02:48:09,710 --> 02:48:08,520
seeing you there Steve I I really do and

4127
02:48:11,230 --> 02:48:09,720
so many other people there it's going to

4128
02:48:14,210 --> 02:48:11,240
be awesome

4129
02:48:16,490 --> 02:48:14,220
absolutely and uh and hopefully by that

4130
02:48:19,250 --> 02:48:16,500
time we we have more to celebrate within

4131
02:48:22,010 --> 02:48:19,260
the field and we'll know more about uh

4132
02:48:23,809 --> 02:48:22,020
say an upcoming uh house subcommittee or

4133
02:48:25,309 --> 02:48:23,819
Committee hearing and we'll be able to

4134
02:48:26,990 --> 02:48:25,319
keep moving forward with this process

4135
02:48:28,849 --> 02:48:27,000
I'm really looking forward to it it's

4136
02:48:31,670 --> 02:48:28,859
just kind of a final note for everybody

4137
02:48:33,469 --> 02:48:31,680
I I know a lot of people were upset who

4138
02:48:36,170 --> 02:48:33,479
were chatting here I think it's

4139
02:48:38,690 --> 02:48:36,180
important to keep in mind

4140
02:48:40,790 --> 02:48:38,700
um how far we actually have come I know

4141
02:48:42,950 --> 02:48:40,800
we want the goodies right away and give

4142
02:48:44,690 --> 02:48:42,960
me the the good stuff but you got to

4143
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:44,700
keep in mind like

4144
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:46,800
um we haven't even had one hearing since

4145
02:48:51,830 --> 02:48:50,640
66 and we just got two you know so and I

4146
02:48:54,950 --> 02:48:51,840
know it didn't give you the information

4147
02:48:56,570 --> 02:48:54,960
what you want but be patient sit tight

4148
02:48:59,630 --> 02:48:56,580
um this process started for a reason

4149
02:49:01,490 --> 02:48:59,640
about five six years ago in it and it's

4150
02:49:03,410 --> 02:49:01,500
gonna end for that same very reason at

4151
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:03,420
some point so yeah

4152
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:06,240
so true hang in all right guys wonderful

4153
02:49:10,010 --> 02:49:08,000
all right great just peace out later

4154
02:49:11,790 --> 02:49:10,020
have a good one all right thanks

4155
02:49:43,809 --> 02:49:11,800
everybody in the chat great